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Is there such a word as "mentee"?

  • 1.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 11-25-1998 12:08
    I have been following the thread on mentor programs, and I felt compelled
    write this note because the use of the word "mentee" grates on my nerves.
    For some reason it makes me think of manatees, which for the most part are
    very different creatures. Isn't the term we should be using for this
    concept prot


  • 2.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 11-25-1998 14:40
    You're right, of course. Protege does seem correct. But I think you're
    trying to empty the sea with a spoon. This reminds me of Gresham's law;
    perhaps the way to express it is that "Bad language drives out effective
    language." Also ruins it!

    Tim Edlund, Morgan State University


  • 3.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 11-26-1998 06:59
    I don't think there is such a word - we made it up because we specifically
    did not want to use something like protegee which had implications of the
    chosen few when we were looking at offering mentoring to everyone in the
    organisation who was interested. We were not crazy about it but it was
    accepted in the organisation and did not have the baggage of other words we
    could think of.

    Ailsa
    Canberra, Australia

    ----------
    From: Jonathan Mclean <jonathan.mclean@PRUDENTIAL.COM>
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Is there such a word as "mentee"?
    Date: Thursday, November 26, 1998 4:07 AM

    I have been following the thread on mentor programs, and I felt compelled
    write this note because the use of the word "mentee" grates on my nerves.
    For some reason it makes me think of manatees, which for the most part are
    very different creatures. Isn't the term we should be using for this
    concept prot
    �g�?

    Thank you for your patience,

    Jon McLean



  • 4.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 11-27-1998 04:41
    At 09:07 AM 11/25/98 -0800, Jonathan Mclean wrote:

    >For some reason it makes me think of manatees, which for the most part are
    >very different creatures. Isn't the term we should be using for this
    >concept protégé?

    Thank you for a vote in favor of clear, garbage-free language!


  • 5.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 11-30-1998 08:02
    At 02:39 PM 11/25/1998 -0500, you wrote:
    >You're right, of course. Protege does seem correct.

    One thought immediately came to mind - what if after awhile you decide that
    you do not wish to immulate your mentor? (especially when you have been
    assigned a "mentor" by the organization). Do you want to consider yourself
    a protege?

    Maybe we need to create a proper word for "mentee."

    Just a thought (not trying to butcher the language, that is).




    Mitchell Adrian
    Assistant Professor of Management
    Longwood College
    201 High St.
    Farmville, VA 23901
    (804) 395-2832
    (804) 395-2203 - Fax
    http://web.lwc.edu/staff/madrian/adrhome.htm


    It's hard to make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere.


  • 6.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 11-30-1998 09:43
    Yes, I think there are grounds for creating a name. I see 'mentor'
    in the same category as manager/husband/wife etc, so there wouldn't
    be a direct link to the word mentor. For starters, how about: Pupil?

    I am interested as I will soon be introducing mentoring and its
    techniques to the Firm.

    Steve Wright
    National Human Resource Manager
    Kidsons Inpey
    Chartered Accountants
    London, England.
    e-mail swrig@kilondon.kidsons.co.uk

    > To: MG-ED-DV@SMTP {MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU}
    > From: MADRIAN@SMTP (Mitchell Adrian) {madrian@LONGWOOD.LWC.EDU}
    > Reply-to: MG-ED-DV @ SMTP (Management Education and Development Discussion) {MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU}
    > Subject: Re: Is there such a word as "mentee"?
    > Date: 30-Nov-98 13:01:51 +0000

    > At 02:39 PM 11/25/1998 -0500, you wrote:
    > >You're right, of course. Protege does seem correct.
    >
    > One thought immediately came to mind - what if after awhile you decide that
    > you do not wish to immulate your mentor? (especially when you have been
    > assigned a "mentor" by the organization). Do you want to consider yourself
    > a protege?
    >
    > Maybe we need to create a proper word for "mentee."
    >
    > Just a thought (not trying to butcher the language, that is).
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Mitchell Adrian
    > Assistant Professor of Management
    > Longwood College
    > 201 High St.
    > Farmville, VA 23901
    > (804) 395-2832
    > (804) 395-2203 - Fax
    > http://web.lwc.edu/staff/madrian/adrhome.htm
    >
    >
    > It's hard to make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere.
    >


  • 7.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 11-30-1998 11:10
    We all trip over words from time to time. For example,

    > One thought immediately came to mind - what if after awhile you decide that
    > you do not wish to immulate your mentor?

    One wonders whether "emulate" or "immolate" was intended? Depending on
    the particular circumstances, either might be appropriate.

    Tim Edlund, Morgan State University


  • 8.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 11-30-1998 11:24
    While many people choose the word protege or even continue to use mentee,
    we have adopted the term, partner.

    Protege, originally a French term, included in its meaning, "the protected
    one." Since this notion is usually not associated with contemporary
    approaches to mentorship, it doesn't seem appropriate any longer. I agree
    with others about the term mentee; it has either a juvenile quality to it,
    or reminds me of the manatee, an endangered species constantly injured by
    propellers in Florida.
    ********************************************************************************
    Peer Resources is Canada's Leading Authority for
    Peer Program Development and Mentoring for Schools and Business

    Rey A. Carr, Ph.D. Tel: (250) 595-3503
    1052 Davie Street Fax: (250) 595-3504
    Victoria, B.C. V8S 4E3 e-mail: rcarr@islandnet.com
    Peer Resources: http://www.peer.ca/peer.html
    Mentor Directory: http://www.peer.ca/mentor.html


  • 9.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 11-30-1998 17:48
    If "mentee" is the word we settle on....

    should we call a pastor's congregation pastees?





    Yes, I think there are grounds for creating a name. I see 'mentor'
    in the same category as manager/husband/wife etc, so there wouldn't
    be a direct link to the word mentor. For starters, how about: Pupil?

    I am interested as I will soon be introducing mentoring and its
    techniques to the Firm.

    Steve Wright
    National Human Resource Manager
    Kidsons Inpey
    Chartered Accountants
    London, England.
    e-mail swrig@kilondon.kidsons.co.uk


  • 10.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 11-30-1998 18:42
    Why don't we just call em "furbees" and capitalize on all the free, current publicity.  On the other hand, is this really a serious issue?

    Jonathan Mclean wrote:

    If "mentee" is the word we settle on....

    should we call a pastor's congregation pastees?

    Yes, I think there are grounds for creating a name.  I see 'mentor'
    in the same category as  manager/husband/wife etc, so there wouldn't
    be a direct link to the word mentor.  For starters, how about: Pupil?

    I am interested as I  will soon be introducing mentoring and its
    techniques to the Firm.

    Steve Wright
    National Human Resource Manager
    Kidsons Inpey
    Chartered Accountants
    London, England.
    e-mail swrig@kilondon.kidsons.co.uk

     

    --
    Thomas M. Box, Ph.D.
    110 Kelce
    Pittsburg State University
    Pittsburg, KS  66762

    Voice: 316-235-4582
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  • 11.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 12-01-1998 01:51
    Protege definitely did not seem correct to us - we were not setting senior
    people up as role models to be emulated. We actually ran a couple of
    programs at once. Our aim was to get people in different divisions of the
    organisation and at different levels of the organisation talking to each
    other, to open up opportunities for people to move between divisions on a
    temporary or permanent basis, and to give some of the less experienced or
    more junior staff access to a bigger picture of the organisation. We ran
    both group mentoring and some one on one. People were assigned individual
    mentors on the basis of their past experience in the organisation plus
    their identified development needs. People who wanted to join the group
    scheme had a choice of groups to join and knew who the mentors would be for
    those groups. The program was inexpensive to run, inclusive because
    everyone in the organisation (all 2,000) could participate over 3 years, it
    broke down barriers and opened up new career paths for some people. As I
    explained to someone, but perhaps not the group, there is an Australian
    candy called "Minties" and that is what people actually ended up referring
    to themselves as.

    Ailsa
    Canberra, Australia

    ----------
    > From: Mitchell Adrian <madrian@LONGWOOD.LWC.EDU>
    > To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    > Subject: Re: Is there such a word as "mentee"?
    > Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 12:01 AM
    >
    > At 02:39 PM 11/25/1998 -0500, you wrote:
    > >You're right, of course. Protege does seem correct.
    >
    > One thought immediately came to mind - what if after awhile you decide
    that
    > you do not wish to immulate your mentor? (especially when you have been
    > assigned a "mentor" by the organization). Do you want to consider
    yourself
    > a protege?
    >
    > Maybe we need to create a proper word for "mentee."
    >
    > Just a thought (not trying to butcher the language, that is).
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Mitchell Adrian
    > Assistant Professor of Management
    > Longwood College
    > 201 High St.
    > Farmville, VA 23901
    > (804) 395-2832
    > (804) 395-2203 - Fax
    > http://web.lwc.edu/staff/madrian/adrhome.htm
    >
    >
    > It's hard to make a comeback when you haven't been anywhere.


  • 12.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 12-01-1998 04:03
    Ailsa Turrell wrote on: Tuesday, 1 December 1998 21:05
    Subject: Re: Is there such a word as "mentee"?


    >Protege definitely did not seem correct to us - we were not setting senior
    >people up as role models to be emulated.

    ... or immolated? I agree with an earlier posting that it appears equally
    appropriate in many cases -- and the fact that immolate and emulate were
    both appropriate solutions to the original 'immulate' (thanks Adrian)
    demonstrates the problem that comes when people start playing with the
    language, particularly when a word, its meaning, its context and the
    underlying concepts are misused, misunderstood or ignored.

    For example:

    >Our aim was to get people in different divisions of the
    >organisation and at different levels of the organisation talking to each
    >other, to open up opportunities for people to move between divisions on a
    >temporary or permanent basis, and to give some of the less experienced or
    >more junior staff access to a bigger picture of the organisation ...
    > ... it broke down barriers and opened up new career paths for some
    people.

    Is the underlying concept here 'mentoring' or is this programme just an
    attempt to formalise the internal networking and 'communication' which
    should happen in a good company anyway (without a special programme). Is
    mentor, therefore, even the right word in this context, because if it isn't,
    mentee is even less appropriate!

    >As I explained to someone, but perhaps not the group, there is an
    Australian
    >candy called "Minties" and that is what people actually ended up referring
    >to themselves as.

    That staff refer to themselves as Minties is intriguing -- grace under
    pressure?, finding humour to relieve the stresses of the work place?,
    perhaps they are happy referring to themselves as soft white lumps whose
    only function is to have their taste and flavour crushed out of them by
    their 'users' molars and then either swallowed or discarded, perhaps they
    think that this is appropriate. But perhaps this choice of name by
    participants should also cause the programme designers to think a little
    about how people perceive the programme and its intent?

    In this context, friend, colleague, associate or partner (and a thesaurus
    could provide many alternatives) would be a better substitute for both
    mentor and mentee -- after all, both senior and junior staff should probably
    share the same roles and titles in this programme, IF true communication and
    mutual trust and benefit is to flow. (Mentor, of course, assumes that the
    information, support, encouragement, ideas, and so on flow from the top down
    only, which does not sound like a sound model for a 'developing
    organisation'.)

    Does this organisation have an active, all-encompassing social club? Do all
    staff share the same cafeteria? the same car park? Are there
    cross-discipline project teams? Do all staff share similar office space?
    These could all be more effective steps towards the objectives of the
    'mentor' programme as stated.

    Bevis England, New Zealand.


  • 13.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 12-01-1998 06:12
    I have read in this MgEdDv thread that one of the problems some people have
    with "mentee" is that it sounds like "manatee". I personally think that
    manatees are cooler than mentees and that being confused with manatees
    should not be a problem. Those MgEdDvers who don't know about manatees look
    at:
    http://www.dep.state.fl.us/psm/webpages/manatees/anatomy.htm
    Cybercollegially,
    Charlie Wankel
    St. John's University--New York City
    listmaster mg-ed-dv
    wankelc@stjohns.edu


  • 14.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 12-01-1998 07:10
    Let's be careful now with word creation: A few years back when teaching
    at Regis College in Denver, I referred to my students during exam time
    as "a great bunch of testees!"

    Laurie


  • 15.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 12-01-1998 08:03
    At 10:03 PM 12/1/1998 +1300, you wrote:
    >Ailsa Turrell wrote on: Tuesday, 1 December 1998 21:05
    >Subject: Re: Is there such a word as "mentee"?
    >
    >
    >>Protege definitely did not seem correct to us - we were not setting senior
    >>people up as role models to be emulated.
    >
    >... or immolated? I agree with an earlier posting that it appears equally
    >appropriate in many cases -- and the fact that immolate and emulate were
    >both appropriate solutions to the original 'immulate' (thanks Adrian)
    >demonstrates the problem that comes when people start playing with the
    >language, particularly when a word, its meaning, its context and the
    >underlying concepts are misused, misunderstood or ignored.
    >

    Yes, actually "immulate" was a finger spasm (typo) similar to my errors
    with tow (two) and form (from). But at least it keeps the conversation going.


    Mitchell Adrian
    Assistant Professor of Management
    Longwood College
    201 High St.
    Farmville, VA 23901
    (804) 395-2832
    (804) 395-2203 - Fax
    http://web.lwc.edu/staff/madrian/adrhome.htm


    Despite the cost of living, it's still quite popular.


  • 16.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 12-01-1998 12:43
    That was funny. Thanks.



    "Laurie A. Fitzgerald, PhD" <lfgerald@ORGMIND.COM> on 12/01/98 04:09:36 AM
    Tuesday December 1, 1998 12:09 PM

    Please respond to Management Education and Development Discussion
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    cc: (bcc: Jonathan Mclean/HRD/Pru)
    Subject: Re: Is there such a word as "mentee"?





    Let's be careful now with word creation: A few years back when teaching
    at Regis College in Denver, I referred to my students during exam time
    as "a great bunch of testees!"

    Laurie


  • 17.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 12-01-1998 14:32
    In some cases, it may be appropriate to use a term such as
    executive apprenticeship or management apprenticeship
    and related forms. E.g., I am apprenticing in international management or
    apprenticing for an executive position. This makes it easier to
    explain rotating through several positions (mentee -> rotatee?)
    --
    Prof. John L. Naman naman+@pitt.edu


  • 18.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 12-01-1998 22:50
    The things we get up to - summary (good group theory) - we have:
    • mentee
    • manatee
    • rotatee
    • protege
    • apprentice
    • mintie  (actually a mentee speaking while eating a mintie*)
    • testee  (gratuitous humour)
    • pastees   (ditto**)
    • next???
    (* being an Aussie I know this ain't easy)
    (** this also refers to articles of attire distinctly uncongregational)

    Actually, I'm with Dr Box - enough's enough.

    Dave
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    University of New South Wales,
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    Thomas Box wrote:
     Why don't we just call em "furbees" and capitalize on all the free, current publicity.  On the other hand, is this really a serious issue?

    Jonathan Mclean wrote:

    If "mentee" is the word we settle on....

    should we call a pastor's congregation pastees?

    Yes, I think there are grounds for creating a name.  I see 'mentor'
    in the same category as  manager/husband/wife etc, so there wouldn't
    be a direct link to the word mentor.  For starters, how about: Pupil?

    I am interested as I  will soon be introducing mentoring and its
    techniques to the Firm.

    Steve Wright
    National Human Resource Manager
    Kidsons Inpey
    Chartered Accountants
    London, England.
    e-mail swrig@kilondon.kidsons.co.uk

     

    --
    Thomas M. Box, Ph.D.
    110 Kelce
    Pittsburg State University
    Pittsburg, KS  66762

    Voice: 316-235-4582
    Fax:   316-235-4513
     

     
     

     



  • 19.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 12-01-1998 23:35
    While many people choose the word protege or even continue to use mentee,
    we recommend and use the term, partner. This reflects a more reciprocal or
    mutually beneficial relationship.

    Protege, originally a French term, included in its meaning, "the protected
    one." Since this notion is usually not associated with contemporary
    approaches to mentorship, it doesn't seem appropriate any longer. I agree
    with others about the term mentee; it has either a juvenile quality to it,
    or reminds me of the manatee, an endangered species constantly injured by
    propellers in Florida.
    ********************************************************************************
    Peer Resources is Canada's Leading Authority for
    Peer Program Development and Mentoring for Schools and Business

    Rey A. Carr, Ph.D. Tel: (250) 595-3503
    1052 Davie Street Fax: (250) 595-3504
    Victoria, B.C. V8S 4E3 e-mail: rcarr@islandnet.com
    Peer Resources: http://www.peer.ca/peer.html
    Mentor Directory: http://www.peer.ca/mentor.html


  • 20.  Is there such a word as "mentee"?

    Posted 12-02-1998 08:59
    Laurie,

    Succinct and to the point. Bravo!

    Dave Moon

    "Laurie A. Fitzgerald, PhD" wrote:

    > Let's be careful now with word creation: A few years back when teaching
    > at Regis College in Denver, I referred to my students during exam time
    > as "a great bunch of testees!"
    >
    > Laurie

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