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Characterizing leaders and leadership

  • 1.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-02-2002 10:11
    From: Gary Lundquist [mailto:garyl@market-engineering.com]

    Colleagues,

    Webster's Dictionary suggests that the person at the head of a moving
    line
    is a leader.
    Military practice grants leader status to anyone authorized to
    command.
    Some companies promote people into the ranks of "leadership."
    Dozens of business books characterize leadership, each from an unique
    perspective. It's dizzying.

    I want to open a dialog about leadership. I'd like to hear from a wide
    range of people.
    Concept of leadership.
    Stories of leadership. (or the lack of leadership)
    Especially... characterization of leadership (or lack thereof)
    Especially... processes of leadership or actions taken by leaders.
    (or
    processes or actions not part of leading)

    For those out there who lurk... Please "unlurk" for a few minutes and
    share
    your views. Share the views of those you respect. The broader the
    dialog,
    the more valuable our mutual learning will be.

    I'll begin:

    All leadership is change leadership.
    While leading, all leaders have a vision - a mental picture of a
    desired
    end result.
    Peter Drucker, "Managing in Turbulent Times": "Management is doing
    things right. Leadership is doing the right things."

    I'd like to see 50 people share their views. Or 100.

    Thank you.

    Gary

    ----------------------------
    Pre-planning accelerates planning accelerates performance.

    Gary Lundquist - The Accelerator
    303-840-9929 www.market-engineering.com
    garyl@market-engineering.com


  • 2.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-03-2002 06:57
    From: Conna Condon [mailto:gandolf@cyberverse.com]

    What are the characteristics of an effective leader?

    Good question ... and I am also eager to hear the answers. If I want
    to
    study the impact of the external leader on a project team what leader
    behaviors am I looking to measure to see if they work? How do I know
    they
    worked?

    So far, every model I have found includes creating the vision
    /objective/goal as a fundamental characteristic.

    Creating an environment that facilitates communication

    In my search I am looking at any empirical research that includes
    Hackman,
    Goldstein, Tuckman, Drexler, or Spreitzer among the base theorists.

    Boehnke of 3M had a most enlightening article on the subject, and a
    great
    presentation was made by 3M at the Chicago AoM a few years ago.


    Conna Condon
    Doctoral Candidate


  • 3.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-03-2002 09:11
    Gary--

    I am convinced that leadership is one of many topics whose very language
    dooms discussion to failure. Leadership sounds like a characteristic of
    people, but it is not.

    I like the followership perspective. I am convinced that we never see
    leadership, only people being followed. And people vary greatly in how
    their followership gets invoked. And in what parts of their values and
    beliefs they allow themselves to be influenced. People of different
    cultures choose different people to follow. People of different
    cognitive or learning styles accept transformational input from
    different kinds of behavior. Even people of different disciplines or
    different industries seem to have different templates of who is to be
    followed. Over time and in different situations, the same individual
    has different response patterns.

    If you have a very narrow slice of people in a very narrow slice of
    situations being studied, it can seem as if there are consistencies
    among those being followed. If a culture teaches that short young
    females should be followed, then correlational research in that narrow
    domain would seem to indicate that shortness is an essential
    characteristic of leaders.

    When managers have to operate in a variety of situations (e.g. routine
    work to strategic cross functional creativity) with colleagues and teams
    of great diversity of cultures and styles, it would seem that a person
    seeking leadership must have a great range of abilities to invoke
    different kinds of followership in different ways. Or maybe you are
    lucky enough to find the group that is invoked appropriately by the
    characteristics you happened to be born with... Or a group and
    situation that just happens to be invoked by the theories in the book
    you just wrote...

    So as educators, we must prepare our students to pay attention and learn
    fast, experimenting with different strategies of invoking followership
    until it starts to work.

    --
    Christopher M. Barlow, PhD
    Assistant Professor of Organizational Behavior
    Stuart Graduate School of Business
    Illinois Institute of Technology
    565 West Adams Street
    Chicago, Illinois 60661
    Voice: (630) 221-9456
    Fax: (312) 906-6549
    mailto://barlow@stuart.iit.edu
    http://www.stuart.iit.edu/faculty/barlow


  • 4.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-03-2002 10:05
    Conna Condon,

    The characteristics of an effective leader ... depends on the criteria that
    defines "effective leadership"...

    To stimulate an emotional fiber in many.., Hitler could be said to have
    been an extremely effective leader that provided a vision/objective/goal,
    facilitated comunications and who basicaly enabled and focused actions and
    resources to create a given reality... Now wheather that given reality can
    be agreed by all to be noble in nature becomes an interesting topic...

    Do effective leader require a social responsibility that goes beyond the
    individual and colective interests? Does effective leadership require
    leaders to center on just and nobel causes or some how that has noting to
    do with it?

    Cordially,

    Esteban Trevino






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    From: Conna Condon [mailto:gandolf@cyberverse.com]

    What are the characteristics of an effective leader?

    Good question ... and I am also eager to hear the answers. If I want
    to
    study the impact of the external leader on a project team what leader
    behaviors am I looking to measure to see if they work? How do I know
    they
    worked?

    So far, every model I have found includes creating the vision
    /objective/goal as a fundamental characteristic.

    Creating an environment that facilitates communication

    In my search I am looking at any empirical research that includes
    Hackman,
    Goldstein, Tuckman, Drexler, or Spreitzer among the base theorists.

    Boehnke of 3M had a most enlightening article on the subject, and a
    great
    presentation was made by 3M at the Chicago AoM a few years ago.


    Conna Condon
    Doctoral Candidate



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  • 5.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-03-2002 11:04
    Perhaps we should also distinguish the process of leadership from the outcomes of leadership. In this way we could say yes, Hitler was a great process leader and a terrible outcome leader. In the same vein, we might say that Jesus Christ was a poor process leader and a fantastic outcome leader.

    But who is to evaluate the outcomes? Are there any objective (absolute ?) standards?

    Or should we look upon leadership as a continuum. There are many examples of individuals (Hitler included) who, in the beginning, showed great promise as leaders, but somewhere along the line either lost sight of, or changed their vision and objectives.

    Just a few thoughts...
    Bob
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    From: Esteban Trevino [mailto:esteban.trevino@neoris.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:05 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
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    Conna Condon,

    The characteristics of an effective leader ... depends on the criteria that defines "effective leadership"...

    To stimulate an emotional fiber in many.., Hitler could be said to have been an extremely effective leader that provided a vision/objective/goal, facilitated comunications and who basicaly enabled and focused actions and resources to create a given reality... Now wheather that given reality can be agreed by all to be noble in nature becomes an interesting topic...

    Do effective leader require a social responsibility that goes beyond the individual and colective interests? Does effective leadership require leaders to center on just and nobel causes or some how that has noting to do with it?

    Cordially,

    Esteban Trevino






    Charles Wankel <wankelc@optonline.net>@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> on 07/03/2002 05:57:04 AM

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    From: Conna Condon [mailto:gandolf@cyberverse.com]

    What are the characteristics of an effective leader?

    Good question ... and I am also eager to hear the answers. If I want
    to
    study the impact of the external leader on a project team what leader behaviors am I looking to measure to see if they work? How do I know they worked?

    So far, every model I have found includes creating the vision /objective/goal as a fundamental characteristic.

    Creating an environment that facilitates communication

    In my search I am looking at any empirical research that includes Hackman, Goldstein, Tuckman, Drexler, or Spreitzer among the base theorists.

    Boehnke of 3M had a most enlightening article on the subject, and a great presentation was made by 3M at the Chicago AoM a few years ago.


    Conna Condon
    Doctoral Candidate



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  • 6.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-03-2002 11:49
    Bob,

    Yes I hold that there exists an objective absolute standard to use...
    expressed as the sustainability of desired outcomes...

    To give an example: a deception and a vision, both present an imagined
    reality, they differs in that when the facts are known only the vision can
    continue to be...

    Cordially,

    Esteban

    -----

    But who is to evaluate the outcomes? Are there any objective (absolute ?)
    standards?

    Or should we look upon leadership as a continuum. There are many examples
    of individuals (Hitler included) who, in the beginning, showed great
    promise as leaders, but somewhere along the line either lost sight of, or
    changed their vision and objectives.

    Just a few thoughts...
    Bob



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  • 7.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-03-2002 20:27
    Gary,

    Great question.

    Some random insights that I have gained working and teaching in this area:

    a. Leaders do not automatically nor necessarily create leadership
    b. Leadership is a synergistic dynamic that chiefly affects the organization/group thru influence. It operates as a field.
    c. Leadership and Management are both needed. They operate as a dissipative structure, i.e. are in dynamic homeostasis
    d. Leadership is a creates very loose, fluid controls that allow equifinality to operate. Management is structure-oriented and, hence, dampens equifinality
    e. A key factor in leadership is where the locus of control rests. In leadership, the locus of control is shared between leader and follower in a symbiotic and dynamic homeostasis. In management, the locus of control rests with the manager.
    f. Leadership does not necessarily come from the leader or, necessarily a human being for that matter. Leadership can come from inanimate things like organizational structure, icons, values, etc. (For example, go stand in a church or library in the dawning of a Sunday morning and observe the influence.)
    g. Leadership encompasses the messy parts of human beings, the heart and guts, that management treats as burden or cost.
    h. A fundamental pre-requisite for leadership is trust
    i. Leadership is more risk tolerant than management.
    j. The continued existence of the state of leadership very much depends upon a sound value structure
    k. People often make the mistake of treating leadership as a monolith. In fact, leadership behaves very different at the tactical, operational, and strategic levels. Leadership at the tactical level operates largely thru interpersonal dynamic. Leadership at the operational level operates thru the interactions of activities. Leadership at the strategic level is about the interplay of icons.
    l. Leadership is very inefficient but, I think, in many settings is more effective than management - - particularly those in which the decision context is uncertainty or things are generally in chaos (absent of patterns, patterns are deteriorating, or patterns are just emerging)

    There is much more to be said, of course, but the above is what comes to mind at the moment.

    Kind wishes.

    Ed
    Drive On!


    >>> wankelc@optonline.net 07/02/02 10:11AM >>>
    From: Gary Lundquist [mailto:garyl@market-engineering.com]

    Colleagues,

    Webster's Dictionary suggests that the person at the head of a moving
    line
    is a leader.
    Military practice grants leader status to anyone authorized to
    command.
    Some companies promote people into the ranks of "leadership."
    Dozens of business books characterize leadership, each from an unique
    perspective. It's dizzying.

    I want to open a dialog about leadership. I'd like to hear from a wide
    range of people.
    Concept of leadership.
    Stories of leadership. (or the lack of leadership)
    Especially... characterization of leadership (or lack thereof)
    Especially... processes of leadership or actions taken by leaders.
    (or
    processes or actions not part of leading)

    For those out there who lurk... Please "unlurk" for a few minutes and
    share
    your views. Share the views of those you respect. The broader the
    dialog,
    the more valuable our mutual learning will be.

    I'll begin:

    All leadership is change leadership.
    While leading, all leaders have a vision - a mental picture of a
    desired
    end result.
    Peter Drucker, "Managing in Turbulent Times": "Management is doing
    things right. Leadership is doing the right things."

    I'd like to see 50 people share their views. Or 100.

    Thank you.

    Gary

    ----------------------------
    Pre-planning accelerates planning accelerates performance.

    Gary Lundquist - The Accelerator
    303-840-9929 www.market-engineering.com
    garyl@market-engineering.com


  • 8.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-04-2002 02:55
    Leaders value simplicity - they make themselves understandable, else they
    will never be followed.
    Leaders are caring - they deal with hearts and guts (as Edward mentioned).
    Leaders inspire - they realize that people fly higher on the wings of
    passion.
    Leaders learn well - they understand that the more they know, the less they
    know, but the wiser they can become.
    Leaders are true to themselves - they follow their values (even though their
    values may be warped at some times - sorry, Hitler).
    Leaders follow well - they realize that people will not be running with you
    if you are too far ahead. Sometimes they trail at the back to make their
    slowest feel accomplished.

    And most of all...
    Leaders believe in miracles - they do, after all, work with the greatest
    miracle of all - human beings.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Edward Hampton [mailto:ehampton@mail.ucf.edu]
    Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 2:27 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: [MG-ED-DV] Characterizing leaders and leadership


    Gary,

    Great question.

    Some random insights that I have gained working and teaching in this area:

    a. Leaders do not automatically nor necessarily create leadership
    b. Leadership is a synergistic dynamic that chiefly affects the
    organization/group thru influence. It operates as a field.
    c. Leadership and Management are both needed. They operate as a
    dissipative structure, i.e. are in dynamic homeostasis
    d. Leadership is a creates very loose, fluid controls that allow
    equifinality to operate. Management is structure-oriented and, hence,
    dampens equifinality
    e. A key factor in leadership is where the locus of control rests. In
    leadership, the locus of control is shared between leader and follower in a
    symbiotic and dynamic homeostasis. In management, the locus of control
    rests with the manager.
    f. Leadership does not necessarily come from the leader or,
    necessarily a human being for that matter. Leadership can come from
    inanimate things like organizational structure, icons, values, etc. (For
    example, go stand in a church or library in the dawning of a Sunday morning
    and observe the influence.)
    g. Leadership encompasses the messy parts of human beings, the heart
    and guts, that management treats as burden or cost.
    h. A fundamental pre-requisite for leadership is trust
    i. Leadership is more risk tolerant than management.
    j. The continued existence of the state of leadership very much depends
    upon a sound value structure
    k. People often make the mistake of treating leadership as a monolith.
    In fact, leadership behaves very different at the tactical, operational, and
    strategic levels. Leadership at the tactical level operates largely thru
    interpersonal dynamic. Leadership at the operational level operates thru
    the interactions of activities. Leadership at the strategic level is about
    the interplay of icons.
    l. Leadership is very inefficient but, I think, in many settings is
    more effective than management - - particularly those in which the decision
    context is uncertainty or things are generally in chaos (absent of patterns,
    patterns are deteriorating, or patterns are just emerging)

    There is much more to be said, of course, but the above is what comes to
    mind at the moment.

    Kind wishes.

    Ed
    Drive On!


    >>> wankelc@optonline.net 07/02/02 10:11AM >>>
    From: Gary Lundquist [mailto:garyl@market-engineering.com]

    Colleagues,

    Webster's Dictionary suggests that the person at the head of a moving
    line
    is a leader.
    Military practice grants leader status to anyone authorized to
    command.
    Some companies promote people into the ranks of "leadership."
    Dozens of business books characterize leadership, each from an unique
    perspective. It's dizzying.

    I want to open a dialog about leadership. I'd like to hear from a wide
    range of people.
    Concept of leadership.
    Stories of leadership. (or the lack of leadership)
    Especially... characterization of leadership (or lack thereof)
    Especially... processes of leadership or actions taken by leaders.
    (or
    processes or actions not part of leading)

    For those out there who lurk... Please "unlurk" for a few minutes and
    share
    your views. Share the views of those you respect. The broader the
    dialog,
    the more valuable our mutual learning will be.

    I'll begin:

    All leadership is change leadership.
    While leading, all leaders have a vision - a mental picture of a
    desired
    end result.
    Peter Drucker, "Managing in Turbulent Times": "Management is doing
    things right. Leadership is doing the right things."

    I'd like to see 50 people share their views. Or 100.

    Thank you.

    Gary

    ----------------------------
    Pre-planning accelerates planning accelerates performance.

    Gary Lundquist - The Accelerator
    303-840-9929 www.market-engineering.com
    garyl@market-engineering.com


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  • 9.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-04-2002 12:33
    From: Conna Condon [mailto:gandolf@cyberverse.com]

    Tough one.... because my knee jerk reaction is that of course it
    includes
    responsibility for the nobility of the goal. However, my noble and
    your
    noble might be in conflict.

    One of the polarized goals in current American society is the rights of
    the
    unborn human. Although polarized currently (regardless of the supreme
    court findings that while scientifically human the child has no cultural
    rights) wouldn't an inspirational leader on either side of the issue be
    a
    leader? Would their side of the issue see them as "great" while the
    other
    side see them as infamous?

    Would the greatest leader of all be the one that can assist in the
    conflict
    resolution and find enough common ground and negotiate the majority - vs
    the
    extremists - to a socially acceptable resolution?

    Just a thought. However, facilitation of conflict resolution continues
    to
    come up as a key leadership behavior in the research I've been working
    on.

    Conna Condon


  • 10.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-04-2002 13:05
    Gary, Ed and others who have responded and those yet to respond,

    I think that leadership is one of those topics that really deserves a
    dialogue/discussion because it is not a neat and clean subject that can be
    defined and categorized as many would like it to be. Leadership is one of
    those messy, hard-to-pin-down topics that really reflects the messiness of
    humans. I spent a good deal of my life in an organization that prided itself
    on developing leaders as a bi-product of its being: the Army. I attended
    numerous schools that taught leadership, learned theories and what to do and
    not to do. There were a couple of schools that really focused on leadership
    without ever teaching a class on the theories of leadership! These school
    required us to accomplish tasks and get those with us to participate. What I
    gathered out of these was that leadership is a very personal thing. What
    works for one may not nor probably will not work for others. We all dig deep
    down when required to and pull out those actions that we feel will work best
    for us. Robert Quinn's book "Deep Change: Discovering the Leader Within"
    does an excellent job of describing and providing tools for recognizing what
    we each have to bring to the 'leadership table'. Leadership probably appears
    differently at different levels, tactical vs. operational vs., strategic,
    but I think there may be some commonalities that stretch across all of the
    levels.

    Gary asked for stories of good, bad, lack of, etc. leadership and I think
    that may be the best way to understand leadership is through stories,
    examples, folk lore, books and movies. I like to use movies that depict
    leaders in various situations in a course I teach on leadership because they
    can really depict what it is all about. Both true and fictional accounts
    work as they may be better (or worse) at describing leadership but they
    convey the lack of structure or finiteness of the topic. Books also place
    leadership and leaders into the context in which they demonstrate their
    leadership and we get to see how messy and chaotic it can be while they
    clear up the situations they are faced with. I think great books such as
    Anton Myrer's fictional "Once and Eagle" and Dave Hackworth's similar true
    story "About Face" , Hal Moore's "We Were Soldiers Once and Young", Michael
    Useem's "The Leadership Moment", Stephen Ambrose's "Band of Brothers"., Dave
    Hackworth's "Steel My Soldier's Hearts" are all great examples of both
    wild, flamboyant type leaders and those that are solid, strict and
    demanding. "We Were Soldiers Once" is also a great movie despite minor
    changes from the book. There is a tendency to focus on Hal Moore (Mel
    Gibson's role) but by looking in deeper we see the leadership portrayed by
    Moore's wife as she handled the other wives back home and the notification
    of the families of the KIAs or the old, crusty Sergeant Major who exuded
    confidence and cool under fire or a number of other 'leaders' regardless of
    their organizational position. Another great (in my opinion) movie is
    "Remember the Titans" not only for the role played by Denzel Washington but
    the actions of others on the staff and the team. Others include Gladiator,
    Heart Break Ridge, Hackers, Apollo 13, Norma Rae, Toy Story, among the many
    that depict leadership in one form or another.

    Its difficult to explain why these people were 'good' leaders but by
    watching them or retelling the story, we begin to understand. This may very
    well be one of those topics that never really is quite explained to anyone's
    satisfaction but those of us who have experienced it will know what it is or
    isn't. Its just the daunting task of passing that on (teaching is just not
    strong enough to convey it) to others. I have read and heard that good
    leaders are good story tellers and maybe that is the first step to
    understanding leadership is that we have to talk about it, talk about what
    we have seen and experienced, and try begin to understand it.

    Ken Rossi, Ed.D.
    Asst. Professor of Information Systems
    Hawaii Pacific University
    Honolulu, Hawaii
    (808) 544-1412
    rossik001@hawaii.rr.com
    krossi@hpu.edu
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Edward Hampton" <ehampton@mail.ucf.edu>
    To: <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
    Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 2:27 PM
    Subject: Re: Characterizing leaders and leadership


    Gary,

    Great question.

    Some random insights that I have gained working and teaching in this area:

    a. Leaders do not automatically nor necessarily create leadership
    b. Leadership is a synergistic dynamic that chiefly affects the
    organization/group thru influence. It operates as a field.
    c. Leadership and Management are both needed. They operate as a
    dissipative structure, i.e. are in dynamic homeostasis
    d. Leadership is a creates very loose, fluid controls that allow
    equifinality to operate. Management is structure-oriented and, hence,
    dampens equifinality
    e. A key factor in leadership is where the locus of control rests. In
    leadership, the locus of control is shared between leader and follower in a
    symbiotic and dynamic homeostasis. In management, the locus of control
    rests with the manager.
    f. Leadership does not necessarily come from the leader or,
    necessarily a human being for that matter. Leadership can come from
    inanimate things like organizational structure, icons, values, etc. (For
    example, go stand in a church or library in the dawning of a Sunday morning
    and observe the influence.)
    g. Leadership encompasses the messy parts of human beings, the heart
    and guts, that management treats as burden or cost.
    h. A fundamental pre-requisite for leadership is trust
    i. Leadership is more risk tolerant than management.
    j. The continued existence of the state of leadership very much depends
    upon a sound value structure
    k. People often make the mistake of treating leadership as a monolith.
    In fact, leadership behaves very different at the tactical, operational, and
    strategic levels. Leadership at the tactical level operates largely thru in
    terpersonal dynamic. Leadership at the operational level operates thru the
    interactions of activities. Leadership at the strategic level is about the
    interplay of icons.
    l. Leadership is very inefficient but, I think, in many settings is
    more effective than management - - particularly those in which the decision
    context is uncertainty or things are generally in chaos (absent of patterns,
    patterns are deteriorating, or patterns are just emerging)

    There is much more to be said, of course, but the above is what comes to
    mind at the moment.

    Kind wishes.

    Ed
    Drive On!


    >>> wankelc@optonline.net 07/02/02 10:11AM >>>
    From: Gary Lundquist [mailto:garyl@market-engineering.com]

    Colleagues,

    Webster's Dictionary suggests that the person at the head of a moving
    line
    is a leader.
    Military practice grants leader status to anyone authorized to
    command.
    Some companies promote people into the ranks of "leadership."
    Dozens of business books characterize leadership, each from an unique
    perspective. It's dizzying.

    I want to open a dialog about leadership. I'd like to hear from a wide
    range of people.
    Concept of leadership.
    Stories of leadership. (or the lack of leadership)
    Especially... characterization of leadership (or lack thereof)
    Especially... processes of leadership or actions taken by leaders.
    (or
    processes or actions not part of leading)

    For those out there who lurk... Please "unlurk" for a few minutes and
    share
    your views. Share the views of those you respect. The broader the
    dialog,
    the more valuable our mutual learning will be.

    I'll begin:

    All leadership is change leadership.
    While leading, all leaders have a vision - a mental picture of a
    desired
    end result.
    Peter Drucker, "Managing in Turbulent Times": "Management is doing
    things right. Leadership is doing the right things."

    I'd like to see 50 people share their views. Or 100.

    Thank you.

    Gary

    ----------------------------
    Pre-planning accelerates planning accelerates performance.

    Gary Lundquist - The Accelerator
    303-840-9929 www.market-engineering.com
    garyl@market-engineering.com


  • 11.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-05-2002 17:56
    Christopher,

    This is a fascinating perspective.

    Thank you for sharing it.

    Kind wishes.

    Ed
    Drive On!

    >>> barlow@stuart.iit.edu 07/03/02 09:11AM >>>
    Gary--

    I am convinced that leadership is one of many topics whose very language
    dooms discussion to failure. Leadership sounds like a characteristic of
    people, but it is not.

    I like the followership perspective. I am convinced that we never see
    leadership, only people being followed. And people vary greatly in how
    their followership gets invoked. And in what parts of their values and
    beliefs they allow themselves to be influenced. People of different
    cultures choose different people to follow. People of different
    cognitive or learning styles accept transformational input from
    different kinds of behavior. Even people of different disciplines or
    different industries seem to have different templates of who is to be
    followed. Over time and in different situations, the same individual
    has different response patterns.

    If you have a very narrow slice of people in a very narrow slice of
    situations being studied, it can seem as if there are consistencies
    among those being followed. If a culture teaches that short young
    females should be followed, then correlational research in that narrow
    domain would seem to indicate that shortness is an essential
    characteristic of leaders.

    When managers have to operate in a variety of situations (e.g. routine
    work to strategic cross functional creativity) with colleagues and teams
    of great diversity of cultures and styles, it would seem that a person
    seeking leadership must have a great range of abilities to invoke
    different kinds of followership in different ways. Or maybe you are
    lucky enough to find the group that is invoked appropriately by the
    characteristics you happened to be born with... Or a group and
    situation that just happens to be invoked by the theories in the book
    you just wrote...

    So as educators, we must prepare our students to pay attention and learn
    fast, experimenting with different strategies of invoking followership
    until it starts to work.

    --
    Christopher M. Barlow, PhD
    Assistant Professor of Organizational Behavior
    Stuart Graduate School of Business
    Illinois Institute of Technology
    565 West Adams Street
    Chicago, Illinois 60661
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  • 12.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-07-2002 08:26
    I've been following this thread and might be able to add to it a wee bit.

    "Leadership" is a set of qualities or characteristics that we attribute to
    others. Whatever those qualities or characteristics are, they, like
    beauty, lie in the eye of the beholder. This is true whether seen through
    the admiring eye of a layman or the analytical eye of a
    researcher. Leaders are leaders, then, because they have and are observed
    to have followers.

    The most important thing I know about leaders is that they do not set out
    to lead; they set out to do something else and other people either sign on
    or they don't. The decision to follow has as much or more to do with the
    issue or venture being pursued as it does with the person who is
    subsequently labeled "leader." To be sure, a leader must have the respect
    of those who follow and he or she must be deemed fit to lead by those who
    follow; however, that judgment is typically made over time as followers
    have the opportunity to evaluate the leaders' fitness to lead. Thus,
    unless a solid reputation precedes the leader, followers' decisions as to
    the leader's fitness to lead will be held in abeyance and made after a
    period of observation by the followers. In the case of the military, some
    of this will be literally a case of trial under fire. That said, I can
    think of nothing that will induce followers to more quickly abandon a
    leader more so than indecision on the part of that leader with respect to
    the issue or venture that all are pursuing. Mistakes on the part of a
    leader are more readily tolerated by followers than inaction owing to an
    inability to commit to a course of action.

    So, while I would agree that a relationship between leaders and followers
    is perhaps part of the equation (albeit one that exists mostly in the minds
    of the followers -- because the leader is just too damn busy to establish
    and maintain relationships with all who are part of the venture), I am of
    the opinion that the relationship between leader and follower is the wrong
    place to be looking for the keys that will unlock the mystery of
    leadership. Instead, look to the relationship between the issue or venture
    and the leader and between the issue or venture and the follower(s).

    There is an old saying from my Iowa farm boy days that fits here: "You
    can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." Few things have annoyed me
    more during the past 30 years of working in and with management and
    management education and development than having to watch tyrannical little
    twerps read the latest leadership book and then go prancing around
    articulating and disseminating their "vision" for the future (all the while
    muttering not so subtle threats about the fate that awaits those who don't
    get on board). Worse, nothing has embarrassed or pained me more than
    having to watch solid, committed executives who had a firm grasp of what
    their company was up against be pressured into trying to put into words a
    "vision statement" that will satisfy academic criteria when all concerned
    knew exactly the issues to be faced.

    If I could, I would impose the following requirements on all future books
    about leadership. In Chapter One, the author must set forth his or her
    personal experiences as a follower. In Chapter Two, the author must do the
    same with respect to his or her experiences as a leader. That way, I'll
    have a pretty good idea as to whether or not I want to read any further.


    Regards,

    Fred Nickols
    740.397.2363
    nickols@safe-t.net
    "Assistance at a Distance"
    http://home.att.net/~nickols/articles.htm


  • 13.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-08-2002 10:01
    From: Gary Lundquist [mailto:garyl@market-engineering.com]

    Colleagues,

    Ed Hampton offered a distinctly different view of leadership. Some of
    his ideas truly stretch my viewpoints. Thanks, Ed. (I've reprinted his
    comments below.)

    Leadership as a field: A powerful metaphor. We can envision leadership
    influencing its surroundings just as magnetism does. The model does
    imply a source of a radiating influence - the leader. Physicists know
    how magnetism works. How does leadership influence?
    Dynamic homeostasis (dynamic balance): We often tend to assign durable
    qualities to leaders, yet many respondents focus on followership or
    granting of leader status by followers. Perhaps the dramatic language
    of "dynamic homeostasis" will help us keep in mind that leadership is
    very much of a balance.
    Equifinality: I'd appreciate a definition. The contrast between fluid,
    influencing vs structured controls is powerful. Sometimes leaders have
    the position to apply autocratic controls, yet it seems that gaining buy
    in and voluntary commitment creates a better followership.
    Leadership from icons: Marketers strive to achieve leadership via
    brands, and it sometimes works beautifully. Leadership can radiate from
    a team.
    Leadership as heart and guts: Marketing again. We get sometimes get
    customer attention by painting a picture of what is or could go wrong.
    (Guts) Then we capture commitment by painting the picture of life with
    no risk of things going wrong. (Heart). Heart delivers commitment;
    guts deliver risk taking.
    Any time we ask people to change, we need a stronger commitment than
    can be delivered by logic alone. (Sorry, Spock)
    Trust, values: Belief in win-win. This requires great character of the
    leader. Maintaining the homeostasis takes agreement on principles.
    Tactical, operational, strategic leadership: I wouldn't have taken the
    strategic side to the level of icons. That step ups the ante. That
    takes leadership out of the hands of leaders. That means building trust
    in symbols and what they mean, not just in people and what they stand
    for.

    I'd like to hear more from Ed and other opinion's on Ed's views. Are
    his ideas practical? Can we use them, in Conda's language, to evaluate
    people and teams? Can we use them to improve our own abilities?

    Best to all,

    Gary

    ----------------------------
    Gary Lundquist - The Accelerator
    303-840-9929 www.market-engineering.com
    garyl@market-engineering.com


  • 14.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-08-2002 10:04
    From: Gary Lundquist [mailto:garyl@market-engineering.com]

    Colleagues,

    Fred Nichols wrote: "The most important thing I know about leaders is
    that
    they do not set out to lead; they set out to do something else and other
    people either sign on or they don't."
    Are you suggesting that people don't consciously choose to develop
    leadership skills to increase the odds of success when they do find a
    "something else" worthy of their attention.

    You also mention decisiveness, and others have included speed of
    decisions
    in their characterizations.
    Is there a balance to be struck between decisiveness and mistakes?
    Between quickness and correctness of decisions? Is knowing that balance
    a
    characteristic of leaders?

    Best,

    Gary
    ----------------------------

    Customers define value.

    Value defines products.

    Products define companies.

    In that order.



    Gary Lundquist - The Accelerator
    303-840-9929 www.market-engineering.com
    garyl@market-engineering.com


  • 15.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-08-2002 11:13
    Colleagues,
    This discussion is fascinating and I would like to contribute an
    example from a totally different field - orchestras and orchestral
    conductors. Here is a case where not rarely a good conductor
    (also perceived as such by the musicians themselves) is
    absolutely 'rotten' with the musicians in personal terms (both
    individually and collectively) but is one who is able to lead the
    orchestra musically with a fantastic performance (outcomes) and is
    respected because of their musical competence - i.e. musicians
    will invariably prefer to work with someone who is difficult to work
    with in personal terms but who they know can lead them in terms
    of a successful musical process and outcomes. This brings me
    back to the idea put forward by one colleague that mistakes may
    be more tolerable than poor decision skills... well, perhaps
    because indecisiveness is perceived as a deeper problem which
    will prevent you from progressing and maybe the cause of many
    mistakes, whereas mistakes are isolated events which can often
    be explained, addressed and controlled, but will not necessarily
    hinder progress (possibly depends on the number of mistakes!!).

    I think what we have in this case, between the musicians and
    conductor is the shared vision ie collective experience and bonding
    through music and good music making (process) and expectations
    in terms of the achievement of goals - a good performance
    (outcomes). But these are all artistic skills (talent, power to
    inspire) and musical/conducting technical skills; yet, the human
    relations side of it is very often absent, you hear the most appaling
    stories about bad, unfair treatment of musicians etc. So, there are
    certainly followers...is there a leader?

    The orchestral micro-cosmos is a useful 'test-case', I think,
    because musicians experience a diversity of what they consider as
    leaders and un-able leaders - has any one done work on this as an
    experiment?
    Ana Gaio
    Arts Policy and Management
    City University London
    www.city.ac.uk/artspolicy/

    On 8 Jul 02, at 10:03, Charles Wankel wrote:

    > From: Gary Lundquist [mailto:garyl@market-engineering.com]
    >
    > Colleagues,
    >
    > Fred Nichols wrote: "The most important thing I know about leaders is
    > that
    > they do not set out to lead; they set out to do something else and other
    > people either sign on or they don't."
    > Are you suggesting that people don't consciously choose to develop
    > leadership skills to increase the odds of success when they do find a
    > "something else" worthy of their attention.
    >
    > You also mention decisiveness, and others have included speed of
    > decisions
    > in their characterizations.
    > Is there a balance to be struck between decisiveness and mistakes?
    > Between quickness and correctness of decisions? Is knowing that balance
    > a
    > characteristic of leaders?
    >
    > Best,
    >
    > Gary
    > ----------------------------
    >
    > Customers define value.
    >
    > Value defines products.
    >
    > Products define companies.
    >
    > In that order.
    >
    >
    >
    > Gary Lundquist - The Accelerator
    > 303-840-9929 www.market-engineering.com
    > garyl@market-engineering.com
    >


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  • 16.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-08-2002 15:48
    From my perspective, long-term, effective leaders possess a set of
    attributes and a set of skills. The primary attributes center around
    ethics. Without ethics leadership will be fleeting as some CEO's have
    recently learned. Two ethical issues leaders must demonstrate are
    honesty and fairness. Another attribute is self-awareness. The
    derailment literature is full of evidence why this attribute is
    critical. The attributes are necessary, but not sufficient conditions
    for effectiveness.

    Clark Wilson's Task Cycle Theory can describe the set of skills that
    effective leaders possess. Those skills are Environmental Savvy,
    Establishing Strategic Objectives, Risk Taking, Financial and
    Operational Analysis, Organizational Expertise, Judgment, Decisiveness,
    Aligning Resources, Organization Development, People Development,
    Persuasiveness, Feedback, Performance Focus, Energy, Performance
    Pressure, Coping with Stress, and Sharing Credit.

    You can find recent research using this model of leadership see:

    Benefits of multiple roles for managerial women
    Academy of Management Journal; Briarcliff Manor; Apr 2002; Marian N
    Ruderman; Patricia J Ohlott; Kate Panzer; Sara N King.




    Frank Shipper, Ph.D.
    Professor of Management
    Perdue School of Business
    Salisbury University
    Salisbury, MD 21801
    Phone: (410) 543-6333
    FAX: (410) 546-6208
    E-mail: fmshipper@salisbury.edu
    Home Page: http://faculty.salisbury.edu/~fmshippe/home/


  • 17.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-09-2002 08:46
    Gary Lundquist, resplying to an earlier post of mine, writes:

    >Fred Nichols wrote: "The most important thing I know about leaders is
    >that
    >they do not set out to lead; they set out to do something else and other
    >people either sign on or they don't."
    > Are you suggesting that people don't consciously choose to develop
    >leadership skills to increase the odds of success when they do find a
    >"something else" worthy of their attention.

    I hadn't suggested that but, now that you've brought it up, I doubt that
    they do. Instead of developing their own leadership skills, or business
    skills, or technical skills, I think those who have found something "worthy
    of their intention" and who are bent on pursuing it, focus instead on
    surrounding themselves with people they trust and who are equipped to
    contribute to achieving the end in view.

    >You also mention decisiveness, and others have included speed of
    >decisions
    >in their characterizations.
    > Is there a balance to be struck between decisiveness and mistakes?
    >Between quickness and correctness of decisions? Is knowing that balance
    >a
    >characteristic of leaders?

    There's always a balance to be struck, whether between decisiveness and
    mistakes, speed and accuracy, or simply between haste and waste. I know
    one senior executive who's willing to live with getting 50% of his calls
    right -- and that, of course, is based on less than perfect
    information. (As an aside, many of this exec's "calls" -- especially the
    big ones -- won't be ascertainable as correct or incorrect, as good or
    lousy for quite some time, perhaps long after he's left the scene. (Ah,
    but the time span between an act or a decision and its full effects is a
    different subject, isn't it?)

    My point had more to do with indecision, especially the form of it that is
    known by that highly technical term: "waffling." I've seen other execs
    (and managers and ordinary folks) be quick to decide, perhaps too quick,
    and then have to reverse course -- again and again. It is difficult to
    conclude that such a person knows his or her own mind let alone what he or
    she is doing. Which brings to mind something written by Lyndall F. Urwick
    in a 1956 Harvard Business Review article:

    "There is nothing which rots morale more quickly and more completely than
    poor communication and indecisiveness -- the feeling that those in
    authority do not know their own minds (p.43)."

    As for good leaders knowing the balance to be struck in this or that
    situation, I think you can safely say that all competent people, whether in
    a leadership role or not, know the balance to be struck, the trade-offs
    involved in just about any decision-making situation they
    face. Why? Well, it's not because they're geniuses and know everything
    there is to know about everything. It is because they've surrounded
    themselves with other competent people and they not just open to counsel,
    they actively seek it. They also make the call and take the responsibility
    for making it.

    Hope this is responsive to your questions.


    Regards,

    Fred Nickols
    740.397.2363
    nickols@safe-t.net
    "Assistance at a Distance"
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  • 18.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-12-2002 07:59
    In a posting re this terrific thread Frank Shipper said:


    > From my perspective, long-term, effective leaders possess a set of
    > attributes and a set of skills. The primary attributes center around
    > ethics. Without ethics leadership will be fleeting as some CEO's have
    > recently learned. Two ethical issues leaders must demonstrate are
    > honesty and fairness. Another attribute is self-awareness. The
    > derailment literature is full of evidence why this attribute is
    > critical. The attributes are necessary, but not sufficient conditions
    > for effectiveness.
    >
    > Clark Wilson's Task Cycle Theory can describe the set of skills that
    > effective leaders possess. Those skills are Environmental Savvy,
    > Establishing Strategic Objectives, Risk Taking, Financial and
    > Operational Analysis, Organizational Expertise, Judgment, Decisiveness,
    > Aligning Resources, Organization Development, People Development,
    > Persuasiveness, Feedback, Performance Focus, Energy, Performance
    > Pressure, Coping with Stress, and Sharing Credit.
    >
    My response is this: Are we not moving very close to traitism by trying to
    define a list of attributes and skills that leaders have? By reading the
    above I would be afraid that my students would look at it as a list of those
    things which, if only they could attain them, they would become good leaders
    by adopting. But isn't it more the truth that in reality there are things
    about a good leader that we just can't put into words, much less clinically
    list?

    In my own experience (37 years in the military) there have been many good
    leaders about whom I could never really pinpoint what they did to make them
    that way. They might, on one day, be very much the risk taker but on the
    next (or even later the same day) be risk averse. On one task they might be
    very focussed on an objective and later in the same activity have no
    objective whatsover.

    I guess the one great truth about leadership is that there are no truths.

    Regards to all

    Phil Rutherford


  • 19.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-12-2002 08:46
    I don't necessarily agree. If we weren't interested in "listing" things,
    there would never have been "psychology".

    Sometimes we have to categorize to understand and all the systematic
    analysis might lead to those AHA moments. Also, if we don't list, we don't
    know what to aspire to - leaders can't all be GREAT, sometimes just taking
    the lead will be good enough.

    Regards
    J



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    From: Phillip Rutherford [mailto:robnphil@ozemail.com.au]
    Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:59 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: [MG-ED-DV] Characterizing leaders and leadership


    In a posting re this terrific thread Frank Shipper said:


    > From my perspective, long-term, effective leaders possess a set of
    > attributes and a set of skills. The primary attributes center around
    > ethics. Without ethics leadership will be fleeting as some CEO's have
    > recently learned. Two ethical issues leaders must demonstrate are
    > honesty and fairness. Another attribute is self-awareness. The
    > derailment literature is full of evidence why this attribute is
    > critical. The attributes are necessary, but not sufficient conditions
    > for effectiveness.
    >
    > Clark Wilson's Task Cycle Theory can describe the set of skills that
    > effective leaders possess. Those skills are Environmental Savvy,
    > Establishing Strategic Objectives, Risk Taking, Financial and
    > Operational Analysis, Organizational Expertise, Judgment, Decisiveness,
    > Aligning Resources, Organization Development, People Development,
    > Persuasiveness, Feedback, Performance Focus, Energy, Performance
    > Pressure, Coping with Stress, and Sharing Credit.
    >
    My response is this: Are we not moving very close to traitism by trying to
    define a list of attributes and skills that leaders have? By reading the
    above I would be afraid that my students would look at it as a list of those
    things which, if only they could attain them, they would become good leaders
    by adopting. But isn't it more the truth that in reality there are things
    about a good leader that we just can't put into words, much less clinically
    list?

    In my own experience (37 years in the military) there have been many good
    leaders about whom I could never really pinpoint what they did to make them
    that way. They might, on one day, be very much the risk taker but on the
    next (or even later the same day) be risk averse. On one task they might be
    very focussed on an objective and later in the same activity have no
    objective whatsover.

    I guess the one great truth about leadership is that there are no truths.

    Regards to all

    Phil Rutherford


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  • 20.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-12-2002 09:19
    Ok, I'll take a turn at this. While I can't contribute scholarly research to
    this discussion, I would like to react to Phil Rutherford's recent comment,
    "I guess the one great truth about leadership is that there are no truths."

    Given the amount of time, effort and thought given to leadership over time,
    and the ongoing interest (as witnessed by this discussion) the topic
    continues to generate, it appears we still have much to figure out about
    leadership. Accordingly, Phil's conclusion seems very wise: perhaps we
    should accept there are no truths about leadership, stop trying to analyze
    it to death and simply let the cream naturally rise to the top. It seems to
    me, however, that by accepting this point of view, we are also saying that
    there isn't much we can teach about leadership that will make a difference
    (my conclusion, not Phil's).

    I guess I'm not ready to go there yet. At the same time, I like very much
    the idea that simpler may be better. In other words, from a teaching
    perspective, focusing on a few fundamentals may be better than working on
    lists of traits.

    Starting with Phil's observation that leaders are often very adaptable, I
    can see a rather simple list of abilities that characterize strong leaders:

    (a) the ability to quickly grasp the essentials of what's happening and
    formulate a "best plan" (not necessarily "THE" best and only plan, but
    something that contributes to positive action);

    (b) flexibility of thought and an open mind that looks for and accepts
    alternatives, the unconventional or simply the possible, that accepts and
    learns from mistakes;

    (c) enough self-worth and self-assurance to share leadership and welcome
    other, possibly better input;

    (d) the ability to establish and maintain effective interpersonal
    relations for good leader-follower dynamics; and

    (e) the capacity to deal with risk and uncertainty.

    Can we teach this? I think so. I think we can organize our teaching
    generally to reinforce these abilities and allow them to "surface" more
    easily. Perhaps the answer then is not to try and teach leadership through
    definitions but rather to help it grow through other learning. Accordingly,
    perhaps a better way to teach leadership than discussing traits would be to
    run a course in which participants learn to handle risk through practical
    exercises. Anyway, that's the idea.

    Cheers,

    Jean-Marc Guillemette


  • 21.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-12-2002 10:56
    Phil,

    I beg to differ to your statement..."I guess the one great truth about
    leadership is that there are no truths".

    There is one great truth about leadership, leaders impact, stimulate and
    focus others unto a cause...

    Cordially,

    Esteban







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  • 22.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-14-2002 02:57
    I have been teaching leadership for over twenty years here and overseas and
    have seen just about every theory, truism or guess about what makes a good
    leader so I will reiterate my comment that there doesn't appear to be any
    singular truth about leadership. Translate that whichever way you want but
    the preponderance of theories and books about so-called exceptional leaders
    who, on closer inspection, are in many cases diametrically opposed to each
    other is all the proof I'm going to put forward as the basis for my comment.

    Having said that, I'd like to offer another theory, based on Jean-Marc's
    thoughtful list of what makes up a good leader. Before I do so, however, I
    must emphasise that this list is offered with tongue firmly planted in
    cheek. It is not meant to be taken seriously.

    Jean-Marc gives us a "simple list of abilities that characterize strong
    leaders" which I repeat here with my added theory:
    >
    > (a) the ability to quickly grasp the essentials of what's happening and
    > formulate a "best plan" (not necessarily "THE" best and only plan, but
    > something that contributes to positive action);

    In other words, a good leader is someone who has a short fuse and gets so
    fed up with nobody else coming up with a plan of action that he/she gets in
    and does it. A good leader therefore is someone with little patience and is
    quite happy to override annointed leaders or the plans (including the plan
    to do nothing) of others.

    >
    > (b) flexibility of thought and an open mind that looks for and accepts
    > alternatives, the unconventional or simply the possible, that accepts and
    > learns from mistakes;

    A good leader is also a lateral thinker but more likely to be irrational to
    the point of not accepting of the status quo. In many cases, the good
    leader's impatience sees him/her inventing solutions just to see which one
    works. Unfortunately at times these solutions have already been discarded as
    causing too much collateral damage but, to a good leader, collateral damage
    is something that others clean up.

    >
    > (c) enough self-worth and self-assurance to share leadership and welcome
    > other, possibly better input;
    >
    This point emphasises the fact that a good leader has a huge ego, but not
    the patience to wait until a good plan an innovative solution comes to
    mind - he/she has to ask others to help out. This intimates that he/she is
    prepared to take the risk of rushing out ahead of the pack but needs to
    confirm that the decision to do so was the right one. Egotistical with a
    touch of self-doubt.

    > (d) the ability to establish and maintain effective interpersonal
    > relations for good leader-follower dynamics; and
    >
    An impatient egoist will generally be the one who measures the quality of
    interpersonal relations against his/her own criteria therefore, like all
    communications processes, he/she is the one who says whether or not the
    relations are effective. A good follower never agrees that everything is
    working at its optimum level (especially interpersonal relationships and
    communications) but a pushy egotistical leader probably wouldn't listen
    anyway.

    > (e) the capacity to deal with risk and uncertainty.
    >
    Risk management is all about either avoiding risk, minimising it, deflecting
    it to others, or accepting it. The timeframe and the urgency of the task
    will determine which of these management techniques is used. But, if we have
    a pushy, egotistical, impatient non-communicator then quite often he/she
    will be a risk taker, but the self-doubter in him/her could see the need to
    share the risk with others, especially the risk that the plan won't work or,
    it will work but no-one will notice.

    So, in summary, a good leader is someone with a high opinion of him/herself,
    is impatient with the status-quo, is prepared to override established
    communications channels (or ignore them altogether), and is a dangerous risk
    taker with a certain amount of self-doubt. Hmm. Don't think I'd like to be
    known as a good leader then.

    If you've read all the way to here I hope I hear at least one chuckle.

    Phil Rutherford


  • 23.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-14-2002 09:52
    From: NIREN SANGANI [mailto:nirensangani@hotmail.com]

    With Respect

    Why no one has covered the Financial aspect to become a True Leader ,
    every
    leader whether in an organisation or in any other field always has a
    good
    financial support of his own or from outside.,Financial Independence (
    to my
    little knowledge) nowadays, is the major factor for any successful
    leadership, besides the inherent and external capabilities.

    If wrongly observed, Can you please check me ?

    Best Regards

    niren


  • 24.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-14-2002 18:02
    Colleagues,

    Thank you all for your ongoing contributions to this thread. Some lurkers
    are still just lurking.

    Phil Rutherford suggests there is no truth about leadership.

    I'd tend to agree that there are not absolute truths. Both leadership and
    context for leadership vary too much.

    I've developed over the years a method for characterizing things and
    processes. I call it "Intrinsics".
    I develop characteristics as nouns.
    Then for each case, I modify the nouns with adjectives that represent
    the specific instance or situation.
    To organize the nouns, I create four categories of description that
    ensure a full characterization.
    So to describe a product:
    Features (What it is or does): Size
    Capabilities (what one can do with it): Catch fish
    Benefits (results of meeting needs with it): Feed oneself
    Intangibles (image and reputation): Brand image

    As I follow this dialog, I find lots of nouns and many useful adjectives. I
    still struggle with naming four category headings that grow from basic
    attributes up to inspiration/genius.
    My first pass was:
    Presence
    Practice
    Perception
    Passion
    I don't think this begins to capture leadership.

    The point is that I'm attempting to characterize leadership in a way that
    forces me to think beyond the obvious. At the same time, I'm trying for
    something complete enough to characterize leadership (good, bad,
    indifferent) in any situation.

    My method for products is amazingly powerful for marketing. I hope to find
    something just as useful for leadership.

    Best,

    Gary
    ----------------------------

    The only way to manage change... is with change.(tm)

    Gary Lundquist - The Accelerator
    303-840-9929 www.market-engineering.com
    garyl@market-engineering.com


  • 25.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-14-2002 20:45
    Hi all

    As a lurker who has been involved in leader development for 8 years and
    around 4,000 people, I agree that there is no absolute truth about
    leadership that I can write.

    However, I can almost immediately tell a good one when I see them in action,
    either in the workplace or in a leadership program. They shine.

    I think it's difficult for us to put into the written word what is
    attractive about them as leaders. I think it's like the vision thing - as
    soon as you put it into writing, it loses something and others then respond
    to the words, and not the spirit behind the words. So it's experiential for
    me.

    warm regards

    Amanda


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gary Lundquist [mailto:garyl@market-engineering.com]
    Sent: Monday, 15 July 2002 8:02 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: Characterizing leaders and leadership


    Colleagues,

    Thank you all for your ongoing contributions to this thread. Some lurkers
    are still just lurking.

    Phil Rutherford suggests there is no truth about leadership.

    I'd tend to agree that there are not absolute truths. Both leadership and
    context for leadership vary too much.

    I've developed over the years a method for characterizing things and
    processes. I call it "Intrinsics".
    I develop characteristics as nouns.
    Then for each case, I modify the nouns with adjectives that represent
    the specific instance or situation.
    To organize the nouns, I create four categories of description that
    ensure a full characterization.
    So to describe a product:
    Features (What it is or does): Size
    Capabilities (what one can do with it): Catch fish
    Benefits (results of meeting needs with it): Feed oneself
    Intangibles (image and reputation): Brand image

    As I follow this dialog, I find lots of nouns and many useful adjectives. I
    still struggle with naming four category headings that grow from basic
    attributes up to inspiration/genius.
    My first pass was:
    Presence
    Practice
    Perception
    Passion
    I don't think this begins to capture leadership.

    The point is that I'm attempting to characterize leadership in a way that
    forces me to think beyond the obvious. At the same time, I'm trying for
    something complete enough to characterize leadership (good, bad,
    indifferent) in any situation.

    My method for products is amazingly powerful for marketing. I hope to find
    something just as useful for leadership.

    Best,

    Gary
    ----------------------------

    The only way to manage change... is with change.(tm)

    Gary Lundquist - The Accelerator
    303-840-9929 www.market-engineering.com
    garyl@market-engineering.com


  • 26.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-14-2002 21:45
    Phil,

    I strongly agree with your experience-based conclusions regarding "Romantic
    Leadership". But, I just as strongly disagree that we know nothing about the
    partnership based augmentation of team influence that we call LMX leadership.

    According to our view, LMX leadership resides in teams of two or more and is
    defined as an increment in influence contributed by team partnerships.

    In a military squad context, it is the difference between a squad of
    strangers and a squad of partners: the strangers only do their jobs and the
    partners do their jobs and more. Moreover, the former perform as expected
    and the latter exceed expectations.

    GBG
    /jag
    George Graen, Ph.D.
    University of Louisiana Lafayette
    Management Department
    (479) 631-9394
    (479) 631-9365 (Fax)
    lmxlotus@aol.com


  • 27.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-15-2002 08:21
    Phil,

    Best description of leadership traits I've read in a long time! I'm going to
    keep this one on file.

    :-)))

    Jean-Marc

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Phillip Rutherford [mailto:robnphil@ozemail.com.au]
    Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 2:57 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: [MG-ED-DV] Characterizing leaders and leadership


    I have been teaching leadership for over twenty years here and overseas and
    have seen just about every theory, truism or guess about what makes a good
    leader so I will reiterate my comment that there doesn't appear to be any
    singular truth about leadership. Translate that whichever way you want but
    the preponderance of theories and books about so-called exceptional leaders
    who, on closer inspection, are in many cases diametrically opposed to each
    other is all the proof I'm going to put forward as the basis for my comment.

    Having said that, I'd like to offer another theory, based on Jean-Marc's
    thoughtful list of what makes up a good leader. Before I do so, however, I
    must emphasise that this list is offered with tongue firmly planted in
    cheek. It is not meant to be taken seriously.

    Jean-Marc gives us a "simple list of abilities that characterize strong
    leaders" which I repeat here with my added theory:
    >
    > (a) the ability to quickly grasp the essentials of what's happening and
    > formulate a "best plan" (not necessarily "THE" best and only plan, but
    > something that contributes to positive action);

    In other words, a good leader is someone who has a short fuse and gets so
    fed up with nobody else coming up with a plan of action that he/she gets in
    and does it. A good leader therefore is someone with little patience and is
    quite happy to override annointed leaders or the plans (including the plan
    to do nothing) of others.

    >
    > (b) flexibility of thought and an open mind that looks for and accepts
    > alternatives, the unconventional or simply the possible, that accepts and
    > learns from mistakes;

    A good leader is also a lateral thinker but more likely to be irrational to
    the point of not accepting of the status quo. In many cases, the good
    leader's impatience sees him/her inventing solutions just to see which one
    works. Unfortunately at times these solutions have already been discarded as
    causing too much collateral damage but, to a good leader, collateral damage
    is something that others clean up.

    >
    > (c) enough self-worth and self-assurance to share leadership and welcome
    > other, possibly better input;
    >
    This point emphasises the fact that a good leader has a huge ego, but not
    the patience to wait until a good plan an innovative solution comes to
    mind - he/she has to ask others to help out. This intimates that he/she is
    prepared to take the risk of rushing out ahead of the pack but needs to
    confirm that the decision to do so was the right one. Egotistical with a
    touch of self-doubt.

    > (d) the ability to establish and maintain effective interpersonal
    > relations for good leader-follower dynamics; and
    >
    An impatient egoist will generally be the one who measures the quality of
    interpersonal relations against his/her own criteria therefore, like all
    communications processes, he/she is the one who says whether or not the
    relations are effective. A good follower never agrees that everything is
    working at its optimum level (especially interpersonal relationships and
    communications) but a pushy egotistical leader probably wouldn't listen
    anyway.

    > (e) the capacity to deal with risk and uncertainty.
    >
    Risk management is all about either avoiding risk, minimising it, deflecting
    it to others, or accepting it. The timeframe and the urgency of the task
    will determine which of these management techniques is used. But, if we have
    a pushy, egotistical, impatient non-communicator then quite often he/she
    will be a risk taker, but the self-doubter in him/her could see the need to
    share the risk with others, especially the risk that the plan won't work or,
    it will work but no-one will notice.

    So, in summary, a good leader is someone with a high opinion of him/herself,
    is impatient with the status-quo, is prepared to override established
    communications channels (or ignore them altogether), and is a dangerous risk
    taker with a certain amount of self-doubt. Hmm. Don't think I'd like to be
    known as a good leader then.

    If you've read all the way to here I hope I hear at least one chuckle.

    Phil Rutherford


  • 28.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-15-2002 08:22
    I am definitely a good leader :-)

    -----Original Message-----
    From: GUILLEMETTE Jean-Marc [mailto:GUILLEMETJ@iata.org]
    Sent: 15 July 2002 14:21
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: [MG-ED-DV] Characterizing leaders and
    leadership

    Phil,

    Best description of leadership traits I've read in a long
    time! I'm going to
    keep this one on file.

    :-)))

    Jean-Marc

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Phillip Rutherford [mailto:robnphil@ozemail.com.au]
    Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 2:57 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: [MG-ED-DV] Characterizing leaders and
    leadership


    I have been teaching leadership for over twenty years here
    and overseas and
    have seen just about every theory, truism or guess about
    what makes a good
    leader so I will reiterate my comment that there doesn't
    appear to be any
    singular truth about leadership. Translate that whichever
    way you want but
    the preponderance of theories and books about so-called
    exceptional leaders
    who, on closer inspection, are in many cases diametrically
    opposed to each
    other is all the proof I'm going to put forward as the basis
    for my comment.

    Having said that, I'd like to offer another theory, based on
    Jean-Marc's
    thoughtful list of what makes up a good leader. Before I do
    so, however, I
    must emphasise that this list is offered with tongue firmly
    planted in
    cheek. It is not meant to be taken seriously.

    Jean-Marc gives us a "simple list of abilities that
    characterize strong
    leaders" which I repeat here with my added theory:
    >
    > (a) the ability to quickly grasp the essentials of what's
    happening and
    > formulate a "best plan" (not necessarily "THE" best and
    only plan, but
    > something that contributes to positive action);

    In other words, a good leader is someone who has a short
    fuse and gets so
    fed up with nobody else coming up with a plan of action that
    he/she gets in
    and does it. A good leader therefore is someone with little
    patience and is
    quite happy to override annointed leaders or the plans
    (including the plan
    to do nothing) of others.

    >
    > (b) flexibility of thought and an open mind that looks for
    and accepts
    > alternatives, the unconventional or simply the possible,
    that accepts and
    > learns from mistakes;

    A good leader is also a lateral thinker but more likely to
    be irrational to
    the point of not accepting of the status quo. In many cases,
    the good
    leader's impatience sees him/her inventing solutions just to
    see which one
    works. Unfortunately at times these solutions have already
    been discarded as
    causing too much collateral damage but, to a good leader,
    collateral damage
    is something that others clean up.

    >
    > (c) enough self-worth and self-assurance to share
    leadership and welcome
    > other, possibly better input;
    >
    This point emphasises the fact that a good leader has a huge
    ego, but not
    the patience to wait until a good plan an innovative
    solution comes to
    mind - he/she has to ask others to help out. This intimates
    that he/she is
    prepared to take the risk of rushing out ahead of the pack
    but needs to
    confirm that the decision to do so was the right one.
    Egotistical with a
    touch of self-doubt.

    > (d) the ability to establish and maintain effective
    interpersonal
    > relations for good leader-follower dynamics; and
    >
    An impatient egoist will generally be the one who measures
    the quality of
    interpersonal relations against his/her own criteria
    therefore, like all
    communications processes, he/she is the one who says whether
    or not the
    relations are effective. A good follower never agrees that
    everything is
    working at its optimum level (especially interpersonal
    relationships and
    communications) but a pushy egotistical leader probably
    wouldn't listen
    anyway.

    > (e) the capacity to deal with risk and uncertainty.
    >
    Risk management is all about either avoiding risk,
    minimising it, deflecting
    it to others, or accepting it. The timeframe and the urgency
    of the task
    will determine which of these management techniques is used.
    But, if we have
    a pushy, egotistical, impatient non-communicator then quite
    often he/she
    will be a risk taker, but the self-doubter in him/her could
    see the need to
    share the risk with others, especially the risk that the
    plan won't work or,
    it will work but no-one will notice.

    So, in summary, a good leader is someone with a high opinion
    of him/herself,
    is impatient with the status-quo, is prepared to override
    established
    communications channels (or ignore them altogether), and is
    a dangerous risk
    taker with a certain amount of self-doubt. Hmm. Don't think
    I'd like to be
    known as a good leader then.

    If you've read all the way to here I hope I hear at least
    one chuckle.

    Phil Rutherford


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  • 29.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-15-2002 14:13
    garyl@market-engineering.com 07/14/02 06:02PM
    As I follow this dialog, I find lots of nouns and many useful adjectives. I
    still struggle with naming four category headings that grow from basic
    attributes up to inspiration/genius.
    Gary
    ----------------------------
    Gary and all,

    I feel badly for not participating more fully and concurrently in this discussion but was unable to do so until now. I just read thru all the messages posted on this topic and would like to enter the conversation. I will do so with posting to your comments above followed by separate responses to several of the postings I have read.

    I do have a comment regarding your thought above, but first:

    Keeping in ming Fred Nichols "wish" that - in so many words - a person professing leadership would establish his/her background so one could determine if one should read further, please allow me to share my background as it relates to leadership: (please note: None of the below makes me an "leadership expert" but it does support my assertion that I am a VERY serious student of leadership.)

    a. I retired from the Army as a lieutenant colonel in Armor. In two separate assignments, I taught leadership at Cal Poly - San Luis Obispo and here at the University of Central Florida as the Professor of Military Science for the Army ROTC program. In the latter capacity, I was additionally part of a national team to train the cadre from across the nation on how to develop and evaluation leader development programs. Most importantly, leadership was not some esoteric, academic concept, it was something I was paid to professionally deliver.

    b. I was the interim director for the LEAD Scholars program here at UCF for a year after the director left suddenly. LEAD Scholars is a four semester leadership program for 200 annually competitively selected first time in college students (out of an incoming class of 3000). The program develops leaders thru leadership courses hosted by each of the five colleges that comprise UCF, service learning, and by having students hold campus leadership positions. A large part of my job was oversight of content and delivery by faculty.

    c. I also am a faculty member for the LEAD Scholars program and have been so since 1994. I teach the course hosted by the College of Engineering.

    d. I have over 15 years of experience as an Organizational Development consultant and, recently, have branched into executive coaching with leadership development as a salient focus. In that capacity, I have derived two central beliefs that shape my thoughts regarding leadership: people and organizations operate as open systems and chaos or complexity theory hold the keys to deeper understanding of leadership.

    Again, for emphasis, one of the above makes me an "leadership expert" but it does support my assertion that I am a VERY serious student of leadership. And it has given me a rather rich experience with which I can use to augment my academic study of leadership. I hope sharing my background helps.

    Getting to the part of your comments that I would like to comment upon:

    Perhaps part of the problem with defining four category headings is that leader and leadership are not differentiated. To explain:

    a. I have come to understand that talking leader and leadership is like talking the proverbial apples and oranges: at some level they have great commonality but are sufficiently differentiated for each to be discussed as individual and separate concepts.

    b. A leader is someone who leads. He or she may or may not do so willingly but he or she is someone who has some vested interest in getting something done. Leaders come in basically two flavors: formal and informal. Organizations have real problems when they are not one in the same or if the formal and informal leader are in conflict or are diametrically opposed.

    c. Sometimes leaders depend upon management process (versus leadership processes) to get things done. I see management processes as more stabilizing processes that are designed to keep individual and organizational behavior within some very specified parameters. I see leadership as more tolerant of - even promoting - the risks associated with equifinality and perhaps even allowing multifinality.

    d. One of the key determinants, in my study, for what differentiates a leader who operates thru management vs. one who operates thru leadership is how locus of control is handled, as is elaborated upon below.

    e. On the other hand, I submit that leadership is a dynamic field. (this insight is heavily influenced by chaos or complexity theory.) The "force" in that field primarily comes from influence. ( I tell my students: Where a leader is involved, leadership is getting someone to do what you want them to do because they want to do it.)

    f. Leadership and leader are not necessarily highly correlated. Leadership can come from social and organizational structural components such as policy, laws, value structures, religions, etc. It can also come from the workings of the informal organization and/or culture.

    g. To really understand this, I submit that one needs to further differentiate and understand that leadership does not operate monolithically. Leadership dynamics are very, very different at tactical, operational, and strategic levels. I have found that much of the confusion that develops over/during leadership discussions centers around this oversight. I plan to elaborate on this further in a response to another posting.

    f. The leadership dynamic or field is created by the dynamic operation of the locus of control. Where leadership is generated by a leader, the locus of control is shared between leader and follower in a dynamic homeostasis. Under management approaches, the locus of control is held by the manager. This prevents the dynamic sharing of the locus of control and thereby prevents the leadership field from developing. I think the shame of this is that the dynamic operation of locus of control in leadership creates what Prigione calls a "dissipative structure". This viewpoint offers that one benefit of such operation is that it creates energy.

    In sum, it is possible to lead without creating leadership. Again, leader and leadership are not necessarily correlated dynamics or concepts.

    So, I respectfully submit that as you develop your categories, you really need a separate set of categories; one for leader and one for leadership.

    More in postings to come.

    Kind wishes.

    Ed
    Drive On!


  • 30.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-16-2002 13:29
    From: mbrown@pathcom.com [mailto:mbrown@pathcom.com]

    Greetings all,

    Here is a contribution of a non-academic lurker of this group.

    Allow me to first to say that there have been a wealth of gems gained
    from
    reading the material in this list-server for many, many months. A number
    of
    ideas have been incorporated in my ability to "lead" under the premise
    of
    continual development.

    Apologies to anyone who becomes offended by the following words, as it
    was
    not written with the intent of offending anyone. The following is to
    supplement the discussion and comments already shared with the list.

    Being a leader and the qualities of leadership is in achieving goals
    (however you define goals) by "lighting the fire within" others. As
    mentioned earlier today by Mr Hampton, it is in part making others do
    things
    because they want to do so. A leader must be able to see the big
    picture, or
    more specifically, the end realization. The actual path taken to get
    there
    may be unknown, as circumstances that will arise may require changing
    direction more than once, before the "big goal" has been achieved. The
    leader must communicate effectively and get buy-in from others, and show
    how
    they do contribute and do _matter_ to the successful outcome.

    In very simple terms, there are but two ways to lead: the management
    method
    and the leadership method.

    The management method, in base terms, is to control, manipulate,
    interact
    with others via machlavellan interpersonal relations, and at times,
    being
    facetieous and duplicious. It can also be thought of as leading by
    personality, be it by superficial social methods or through
    intimidation.
    How many people on this list in civilian life have had, or are aware of
    someone who had, a boss/supervisor/manager/etc whom people fear...they
    work
    like mad monkeys when he/she walks by, but as soon as that person leaves
    the
    vicinity/building/city/country on other duties, everyone else breathes a
    collective sigh of relief and goes back to their normal rhythm of work.
    People who lead by management methods are prone to, but do _not_ always
    do
    so, micro-manage. They are also chasing the "flavour of the month/year"
    leadership style, but with a significant noticeable lack of commitment
    --
    only paying lip service to new styles. They come off as being as sincere
    as
    a three dollar bill. And that is also the type of "followers" they
    desire --
    the yes men/women of the world.

    These people think by their presence, goals are fulfilled, and the sun
    does
    not rise until they awaken in the morning. By way of analogy, they
    demonstration their importance by sticking a finger into a glass of
    water,
    saying that as the water rises, it is due to their contribution. Little
    do
    they realize that the true measure of a leader is what happens when the
    leader is not around. This would be reflective of the hole in the glass
    of
    water when they remove their finger. Very few of us leave holes. ;-)

    So what is leading by the leadership method, in this simple explanation
    --
    simple because of the author's lack of education, not the audience. From
    my
    perspective, it is getting high performance and sustainable effective
    results from people. This is obtained via increasing the commitment and
    competence of the "followers" to higher levels as time goes by. It is
    also
    empowering others to think and act for themselves, and to question the
    status quo -- not to be disrespectful, but to ensure that what is
    currently
    being done is the most effective under the present circumstances. To
    quote
    Sir Isaac Newton: "If I see farther than others, it is because I stand
    upon
    the shoulders of giants." From a leadership perspective, by empowering
    others, once gains the ability to "see" further, but only after
    accepting
    that there are people with more talent than one's self. These talents
    that
    are referred to here are more task driven as opposed to vision based.

    A current popular theme of leading, under many intrepretations, is
    situational leadership. For the most part, that methodology is a recipe
    book
    -- you find yourself in situation A, with person who has talents at
    level B,
    and you want to achieve goal C, and applying method D will result in
    success. Later on, you find yourself in situation Z, which is not
    covered in
    the "recipe book," but is similar to situation F with person at talent
    level
    H and is best handled by method L. You give method L a go, measure
    results
    and make modifications as necessary. Although one can adapt and have the
    "recipe book" grow by experience, it does not address the deeper
    understanding of the underlying principles. It also is limited in that
    the
    experience you gain, is not readily shared with others. In some
    corporate
    cultures and societies, sharing such information is counter productive
    to
    ones own success.

    By striving to understand the principles at hand, one can then use
    foresight
    and/or visualization techniques to set upon a course that will result in
    succcess. Together with the the ability to "light the fire within," it
    is
    these two "qualities" that sets the leader apart from the "manager"
    styles
    of leadership. This is not to say that these are the two most important
    qualities of the leader, as being a leader and a manager is a
    multifaceted
    combination of attributes.

    To paraphrase someone else: Managers are concerned with efficiency,
    leaders
    seek effectiveness. It takes a person with more emotional maturity to be
    a
    leader, as a leader is guided by principles and not targets.

    The above comments are not to be taken as literal absolutes, as to fully
    explain one's self would result in an essay, or treatise, of which is
    beyond
    my talents.

    M.Brown


  • 31.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-16-2002 14:31
    mbrown@pathcom.com

    Thank you. I enjoyed what you stated and the analogies...

    Combining the glass of water with "lighting the fire within" would lead to
    a phase shift of the water into steam... Alternatively if after sticking
    the finger into the water, the leader freezes the liquid (a different phase
    shift) then they can remove the finger leaving behind a hole...

    Cordially,

    Esteban


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  • 32.  Characterizing leaders and leadership

    Posted 07-17-2002 08:24
    From: mbrown@pathcom.com [mailto:mbrown@pathcom.com]



    To freeze or not to freeze, or is a leader's preferred environment
    static or
    dynamic.
    By freezing the glass of water, one's contribution and development is
    also
    frozen. There are numerous examples in history of
    people/companies/societies
    coming up with innovative solutions and ideas, then living on those
    achievements
    for far too long, only to find that the world has now changed and/or
    surpassed
    them.

    With your permission, your modification of the glass of water analogy
    will be
    incorporated into future usage. The steam aspect will show the energy
    release
    that can be created and subsequently harnessed to accomplish things. The
    chilling effect of "cracking the whip" will be conveyed by the freezing
    of the
    water, and by extension, the contributions, results, development and
    enthusiasm
    of the people involved.



    Esteban Trevino wrote:

    > mbrown@pathcom.com,
    > Thank you. I enjoyed what you stated and the analogies...
    > Combining the glass of water with "lighting the fire within" would
    lead to
    > a phase shift of the water into steam... Alternatively if after
    sticking
    > the finger into the water, the leader freezes the liquid (a different
    phase
    > shift) then they can remove the finger leaving behind a hole...
    > Esteban