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  • 1.  PowerPoint Punctuation

    Posted 12-30-2002 14:57
    Forwarded from the Online Learning e-News http://www.vnulearning.com
    issue of December 30, 2002.
    Cybercollegially, Charles Wankel, St. John's University, New York

    ----------------

    PUNCTUATE THIS!

    What's the proper punctuation for items
    in a bulleted PowerPoint list?

    Does each item end with a period whether
    or not it is a complete sentence?

    If a statement such as, "Complete the following
    items" introduces the list, then does each item
    end with a comma?

    Does the next-to-last item end with a comma plus
    "and" and the last item with a period?

    Here are responses to that reader query:

    Steve Stamatopoulos ( Steven.Stamatopoulos@mbusa.com )
    uses no punctuation at the end of each bulleted point
    except for the last point, which gets a period.

    "That lets us know that the list is completed,"
    says Stamatopoulos, "and that our next mouse click
    will move us to the next slide."

    Stamatopoulos is a training and development specialist
    with Mercedes-Benz USA in Hazleton, Pa. The automaker
    is a unit of DaimlerChrysler AG.

    Tom Ditzler ( TDitzler@jjkeller.com ), a sales-training specialist with
    health and safety publisher J. J. Keller & Associates Inc. of Neenah,
    Wis., has another take:

    "Items in a bullet list should end with a period if
    the items are independent clauses, dependent clauses
    or very long phrases," says Ditzler.

    And "use a period after a short phrase that grammatically completes the
    introductory statement."

    Here's an example:

    Please bring the marketing details on
    * New product launches.
    * Green widgets.

    Don't use a period "after short phrases when
    the introductory statement is grammatically
    complete," says Ditzler.

    Here's an example:

    Our green widgets are the best in the industry
    and have the following features:
    * Beautiful green color
    * Great taste
    * Low price

    Avoid commas and semicolons at the end of bulleted
    lists, Ditzler advises.

    Complete sentences in bullets get periods, Ditzler adds:

    Complete the following items:
    * Prepare a detailed marketing analysis
    on the green widgets.
    * Make copies of the marketing plan for
    the Executive Committee.
    * Present your marketing plan at the year-end
    Executive Conference.

    Had enough? No? Here's more:

    Lawrence Roberge ( lroberge@map.com ), who teaches
    biology at Lesley University in Cambridge, Mass., says
    it depends on the number of words in the item.

    One or two words means no period. Here's an example:

    The animals in this list include:
    * Whales
    * Kangaroos
    * Dolphins

    More than two words get a period. Here's an example:

    The options for sterilization of a surface include:
    * Ultraviolet light
    * Use of chlorine gas.
    * Applications of a 10% glutaldehyde solution.


    PRECISE, CONCISE, CONSISTENT

    Mark Betzold ( MarkBetzold@WellsFargo.COM ) thinks
    it's consistency that matters.

    "If one item in the list is a complete sentence,
    it should end with a period and all other items
    should also end with a period," says Betzold.

    "If each list item is just one or two words, you
    can do without final punctuation. I also normally
    capitalize the first word of each list item."

    And one or two words is better in PowerPoint,
    Betzold suggests.

    "If I can eliminate certain words or punctuation,
    I will do that -- as long as the message remains
    clear," Betzold says.

    "So commas and 'and' in PowerPoint lists are superfluous.
    Be precise, concise and consistent."

    Betzold is training coordinator in corporate
    trust services with Wells Fargo Bank Minnesota
    N.A. in Minneapolis.


  • 2.  PowerPoint Punctuation

    Posted 12-30-2002 17:17
    Charles,

    Are you asking for more opinions on punctuation? The same questions apply
    to articles.

    I once used two editors for my short books. One argued for punctuation, the
    other for none.

    We settled on this.
    Punctuate sentences.
    Make all lists consistent.
    Either all bullets
    Or all sentences

    On PowerPoint, another factor comes in. Wordy slides tend to distract
    attention from the speaker, so short bullets are better. On the other hand,
    if the slides are the only handout, short bullets don't provide as much
    information. Still, complete sentences are rarely needed.

    In another area, both agreed. Indeed, one showed me research.
    Initial Caps Are Seen as Titles and Are Hardest To Read.
    ALL CAPS ARE EASIER TO READ.
    First word caps are easiest to read.

    As you can tell, I'm not paying attention to my real work this afternoon.

    Happy New Year to all!

    Gary

    ----------------------------
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    Gary Lundquist - The Accelerator
    303-840-9929 www.market-engineering.com
    garyl@market-engineering.com


  • 3.  PowerPoint Punctuation

    Posted 12-30-2002 19:52
    "PUNCTUATE THIS!

    What's the proper punctuation for items
    in a bulleted PowerPoint list?"


    Toastmasters has great training in the effective use of Powerpoint in
    presentations. www.toastmasters.org

    I suspect that if the bullet contains enough words to think it needs
    punctuation that the proper use of Powerpoint graphics has been lost.

    Font size: Less than 20 can't be seen at the back of the room - which will
    frustrate the people in the back. (If you ever use the wizards you'll see
    they tend to be larger fonts for anything that is really supposed to be
    seen).

    Light colors: Bleed into light colors around them. If you must use white
    letters, be sure the background is dark enough to create a border for each
    letter, or use text art of shadowing to create borders on light letters.
    Otherwise, they can't be seen at a distance, which is frustrating.

    Similar colors: Shades of color bleed into each other for shade deficient
    people (over 50% of the population is shade deficient and can't see dark
    blue on light blue or dark green on light green).

    No more than 9 lines of information per slide - headings, body, footers -
    total is 9. If you need more than that, it should be a handout, not a
    graphic. It won't be legible or viewable from a distance..

    Now - if all bullets have to be done in less than 10 lines, is there really
    room for grammar? The bullet is the punch line of the point the speaker is
    making. It is only part of what is said. It should not be read. Reading
    Powerpoint slides is highly insulting to an audience. It says to them that
    they aren't smart enough to read the slide or the creator of the slide
    wasn't smart enough to make it readable.

    While I was there, CSC standardized to the above rules. You'd be amazed how
    many still broke the rules. I don't see why they were amazed their
    management got ticked when they tried to do illegible presentations.

    I highly recommend anyone who does any kind of presentations, especially
    with Powerpoint, join Toastmasters and obtain at least their competent
    toastmaster skills.

    Conna Condon
    Toastmaster


  • 4.  PowerPoint Punctuation

    Posted 12-31-2002 05:53
    From: John Milliken [mailto:j.milliken@ulster.ac.uk]

    Conna,

    Excellent advice. One other point to include is that the maximum
    distance for viewing should not be any more than 5 times the diagonal
    of the screen. Therefore if the screen is 5ft across the diagonal
    then the no one should be more than 25ft from the screen for
    comfortable viewing.

    Hope this helps.

    John


  • 5.  PowerPoint Punctuation

    Posted 12-31-2002 15:43
    John Milliken adds:
    "Therefore if the screen is 5ft across the diagonal
    then the no one should be more than 25ft from the screen for
    comfortable viewing."

    Wonderful! I had not had a measure for this before! I've needed this!
    Thanks!

    Conna Condon


  • 6.  PowerPoint Punctuation

    Posted 12-31-2002 16:30
    Whatever distracts the viewers the least is my guide. A period at the end of a list of bulletin items would severely distract me. I know that people vary in what distracts them, but as an editor (which I do as a hobby for people) I want consistency.
    Edryce
    Charles Wankel <wankelc@optonline.net> wrote:Forwarded from the Online Learning e-News http://www.vnulearning.com
    issue of December 30, 2002.
    Cybercollegially, Charles Wankel, St. John's University, New York

    ----------------

    PUNCTUATE THIS!

    What's the proper punctuation for items
    in a bulleted PowerPoint list?

    Does each item end with a period whether
    or not it is a complete sentence?

    If a statement such as, "Complete the following
    items" introduces the list, then does each item
    end with a comma?

    Does the next-to-last item end with a comma plus
    "and" and the last item with a period?

    Here are responses to that reader query:

    Steve Stamatopoulos ( Steven.Stamatopoulos@mbusa.com )
    uses no punctuation at the end of each bulleted point
    except for the last point, which gets a period.

    "That lets us know that the list is completed,"
    says Stamatopoulos, "and that our next mouse click
    will move us to the next slide."

    Stamatopoulos is a training and development specialist
    with Mercedes-Benz USA in Hazleton, Pa. The automaker
    is a unit of DaimlerChrysler AG.

    Tom Ditzler ( TDitzler@jjkeller.com ), a sales-training specialist with
    health and safety publisher J. J. Keller & Associates Inc. of Neenah,
    Wis., has another take:

    "Items in a bullet list should end with a period if
    the items are independent clauses, dependent clauses
    or very long phrases," says Ditzler.

    And "use a period after a short phrase that grammatically completes the
    introductory statement."

    Here's an example:

    Please bring the marketing details on
    * New product launches.
    * Green widgets.

    Don't use a period "after short phrases when
    the introductory statement is grammatically
    complete," says Ditzler.

    Here's an example:

    Our green widgets are the best in the industry
    and have the following features:
    * Beautiful green color
    * Great taste
    * Low price

    Avoid commas and semicolons at the end of bulleted
    lists, Ditzler advises.

    Complete sentences in bullets get periods, Ditzler adds:

    Complete the following items:
    * Prepare a detailed marketing analysis
    on the green widgets.
    * Make copies of the marketing plan for
    the Executive Committee.
    * Present your marketing plan at the year-end
    Executive Conference.

    Had enough? No? Here's more:

    Lawrence Roberge ( lroberge@map.com ), who teaches
    biology at Lesley University in Cambridge, Mass., says
    it depends on the number of words in the item.

    One or two words means no period. Here's an example:

    The animals in this list include:
    * Whales
    * Kangaroos
    * Dolphins

    More than two words get a period. Here's an example:

    The options for sterilization of a surface include:
    * Ultraviolet light
    * Use of chlorine gas.
    * Applications of a 10% glutaldehyde solution.


    PRECISE, CONCISE, CONSISTENT

    Mark Betzold ( MarkBetzold@WellsFargo.COM ) thinks
    it's consistency that matters.

    "If one item in the list is a complete sentence,
    it should end with a period and all other items
    should also end with a period," says Betzold.

    "If each list item is just one or two words, you
    can do without final punctuation. I also normally
    capitalize the first word of each list item."

    And one or two words is better in PowerPoint,
    Betzold suggests.

    "If I can eliminate certain words or punctuation,
    I will do that -- as long as the message remains
    clear," Betzold says.

    "So commas and 'and' in PowerPoint lists are superfluous.
    Be precise, concise and consistent."

    Betzold is training coordinator in corporate
    trust services with Wells Fargo Bank Minnesota
    N.A. in Minneapolis.


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  • 7.  PowerPoint Punctuation

    Posted 12-31-2002 16:46
    I agree, if you need punctuation for your PowerPoint presentation then you
    might be using the wrong media.

    Christie Mason

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Edryce Reynolds" <edryce@yahoo.com>
    To: <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
    Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:29 PM
    Subject: Re: PowerPoint Punctuation


    Whatever distracts the viewers the least is my guide. A period at the end
    of a list of bulletin items would severely distract me. I know that people
    vary in what distracts them, but as an editor (which I do as a hobby for
    people) I want consistency.
    Edryce
    Charles Wankel <wankelc@optonline.net> wrote:Forwarded from the Online
    Learning e-News http://www.vnulearning.com
    issue of December 30, 2002.
    Cybercollegially, Charles Wankel, St. John's University, New York


  • 8.  PowerPoint Punctuation

    Posted 12-31-2002 19:47
    From: JK [mailto:toucans@earthlink.net]

    > Whatever distracts the viewers the least is my guide.

    I've reached the same conclusion. Having spent many years in industry
    management, and about five years as a full-time academic, I now realize
    how
    terrible most of my beautifully crafted, comprehensive slides - in both
    venues - really were. That lesson was driven home by a couple of
    investment
    bankers when I was in a partnership seeking money for a startup a few
    years
    ago.

    They had a very simple template for presentations to venture
    capitalists,
    especially by techies. Each slide was limited to five bullets and a
    total
    of twenty-five words - punctuation was obviously not an issue.

    This principle is invaluable for business pitches. The spoken
    presentation
    can be quite wordy, but having just a few key ideas on the screen during
    that time is a more effective communication tool.

    In the classroom, I find myself increasingly guided by the same
    principle,
    though obviously it cannot be rigidly applied. However, over the past
    few
    years this kind of approach, combined with handouts of the slides on
    which
    students can take notes, has been both effective and popular.

    John Kanz, PhD
    The Fairview Group, Inc.


  • 9.  Much ado about nothing: Re: PowerPoint Punctuation

    Posted 01-02-2003 02:14
    When you become intimately familiar with using
    PowerPoint, you will discover that, under TOOLS you
    will find OPTIONS and under that you will fine
    SPELLING AND STYLE, with "CHECK STYLE" as an option.
    If you set the options to default, and heed the wavy
    red underlines for suggestions, you can produce
    readable overheads. From attending academic
    conferences for 40 years or so, most academics seem
    unaware of any kind of overhead readability rules.
    Regards,
    Romie Littrell
    --- Charles Wankel <wankelc@optonline.net> wrote: >
    From: JK [mailto:toucans@earthlink.net]
    >
    > > Whatever distracts the viewers the least is my
    > guide.
    >
    > I've reached the same conclusion. Having spent many
    > years in industry
    > management, and about five years as a full-time
    > academic, I now realize
    > how
    > terrible most of my beautifully crafted,
    > comprehensive slides - in both
    > venues - really were. That lesson was driven home
    > by a couple of
    > investment
    > bankers when I was in a partnership seeking money
    > for a startup a few
    > years
    > ago.
    >
    > They had a very simple template for presentations to
    > venture
    > capitalists,
    > especially by techies. Each slide was limited to
    > five bullets and a
    > total
    > of twenty-five words - punctuation was obviously not
    > an issue.
    >
    > This principle is invaluable for business pitches.
    > The spoken
    > presentation
    > can be quite wordy, but having just a few key ideas
    > on the screen during
    > that time is a more effective communication tool.
    >
    > In the classroom, I find myself increasingly guided
    > by the same
    > principle,
    > though obviously it cannot be rigidly applied.
    > However, over the past
    > few
    > years this kind of approach, combined with handouts
    > of the slides on
    > which
    > students can take notes, has been both effective and
    > popular.
    >
    > John Kanz, PhD
    > The Fairview Group, Inc.

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    Auckland University of Technology
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