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  • 1.  Stereotypes

    Posted 05-08-2006 18:14
    One has to wonder, if, taken from a pure research model, the data supports a reality that folks are uncomfortable with -- that perhaps the problem isn't with the data or peoples' thinking but with the researchers's willingness to accept the data and consider what to do with it.

    Calling the idea of these stereotpyes 'dysfunctional' and a 'surface-level product of ignorance' seems a bit elitest for me. Instead, why do these stereotypes exist, particularly in such uniformity? Perhaps they are founded on a basis of reality yet fully explored. Perhaps they neglect a full appreciation of the diversity and potential of the human experience.

    It is curious that the stereotypes, and concern over these stereotypes are cross-cultural, if I'm reading the posts correctly. That would imply, maybe, that I need to rethink my thinking, my paradigms, and make sure I'm not holding on to false or incomplete paradigms before I become the critic or naysayer.

    Shouldn't we work out this data and shed light on this reality instead of being a judge and dismissing it out-of-hand?

    Jerrold Strong, M.A.
    Adjunct Faculty, Organizational Leadership
    Chapman University

    "Change is Inevitable, Growth is Optional"


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU]On Behalf Of Lynn Martin
    Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 4:20 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Using films to teach leadership


    I think the last commentator is absolutely right. These views are implicit, deeply ingrained and may not be recognized by the holders of these perceptions.



    Recent research at UCE has identified similar stereotypes with words such as “entrepreneur” “scientist” and “innovator” where images seem uniformly to be of a middle aged white male. Differences emerged here with entrepreneurs seen as ruthless, sharp suited with a range of material possessions while innovators were characterised as scientists i.e., irresponsible bespectacled meddlers, either with wild hair or bald. Hollywood has a lot to answer for, perhaps.



    A more depressing study last year also asked students and members of other groups to identify 5 names as role models of an entrepreneurs and innovators; 5 business sectors which might also be considered to be entrepreneurial or innovative. Results - All male, mainly US despite this being an international survey with respondents from the UK, China, India, other areas of south east Asia, Interestingly, this was true even when focus groups were held in premises owned by highly successful and dynamic Asian or female entrepreneurs.



    Even worse, when parts of the exercise reviewed quotes and results from different sectors and using cases such as Bodyshop and L'Oreal, some delegates really felt that “cosmetics” or the beauty industry should not be included as that "really wasn’t a proper industry", favoring instead auto and aerospace, nano-technologies etc. Hence female industries too do not seem to count, however innovative they may be.



    Looks like we may have some work to do yet to change such perceptions. Please, tell me it's better in the USA!



    Best wishes



    Lynn Martin



    Dr L M Martin

    Director, Entrepreneurship and Innovation

    UCE, Perry Barr, Birmingham B42 2Su

    Untied Kingdom

    +44 121 331 7260 / 7248

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    In a message dated 5/8/2006 1:49:36 AM Central Standard Time, terence_laoshi@YAHOO.COM.AU writes:


    Speaking of predominantly male leadership models, I teach students about stereotyping using a movie still with two business executives at a desk. I ask Ss to nominate who these two people are and what they are speaking about.

    Of course, nine times out of ten the man is nominated as the boss or other comparatively more powerful individual. Where the two have equal position status, the male is invariably controlling in the Ss' role play performances.

    Of course, students begin the lesson by avowing that they DEFINITELY DO NOT stereotype people.



    STEROTYPES ARE DYSFUNCTIONAL. THE THIRD CULTURE BONDING MODEL TCB IS BASED ON THIS POSTULATE (AOM PERSPECTIVES, IN PRESS). MALES AS PREFERRED LEADERS IS A SURFACE-LEVEL PRODUCT OF IGNORANCE THAT IS CORRECTED WITH REAL DEEP-LEVEL EXPERIENCE WE FIND ( DEALING WITH DIVERSITY, 2003, INFO AGE PUBLISHING, GRAEN). THIS IS THE CASE IN EVERY CULTURE THAT WE HAVE STUDIED.

    G2


  • 2.  Stereotypes

    Posted 05-09-2006 06:37
    Colleagues,

    I agree that stereotypes, in most situations, tend to be 'dysfunctional'.
    One simple reason for that is that stereotypes, by definition, are not
    accurate representation of reality and therefore can bias us in assessing a
    certain situation and bring us to base our decisions on wrong assumptions (a
    lot of research is available to that effect). At the same time, and with no
    contradiction of the first statement, at the fundamental level stereotypes
    are inevitable. Stereotyping is an integral part of human cognition and one
    of the main reasons for this 'mental shortcut' mechanism is that, for most
    of us, the world is too complex to perceive and organize and we constantly
    employ various mechanisms such as stereotyping to simplify it (e.g., to
    enable better prediction and reduce uncertainty).

    Thus, while stereotyping as a process is deep-rooted in the evolutionary
    development of our cognitive mechanism, the content of the stereotypes and
    the degree to which the process is occurring varies among persons and
    cultures and can be modified.

    Stereotypes, just like beliefs and actual behaviors, are shaped by
    individual level factors (e.g., personality, individual experiences) and by
    broader-level factors such as one's SES and culture. Cultures differ in
    their values and, consequently, so will stereotypes. Thus, stereotypes
    regarding power and sex/gender will tend to be stronger in cultures that
    Hofstede called high on Masculinity and are referred to in the GLOBE project
    as Assertiveness and Gender Differentiation. Thus, it is possible to
    explain/predict, in which cultures gender stereotypes will be more
    predominant (for example, S. Korea and Egypt are high on Gender
    Differentiation, Brazil and Italy are medium and Sweden & Denmark are low).
    Now, I am really not versed in the research areas discussed below, but I
    would guess that if these studies were conducted in Scandinavia, the general
    results would be much more 'mild'.

    Finally, my conclusion is that change in stereotypes is possible and it is
    possible to achieve it with educational tools (in my experience, combination
    of experiential learning with higher conceptual processing works well). On
    the national level, this would involve a gradual change of cultural values,
    which is a difficult and very slow process.

    Warm wishes,

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Jacob Eisenberg, Ph.D.
    UCD School of Business,
    University College Dublin,
    Belfield, Dublin 4,
    Ireland

    Tel: +353-1-716 4774
    Fax: +353-1-716 4762
    Email: Jacob.eisenberg@ucd.ie
    http://www.ucd.ie/busadmin/

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jerrold Strong
    Sent: 08 May 2006 23:14
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Stereotypes

    One has to wonder, if, taken from a pure research model, the data supports a
    reality that folks are uncomfortable with -- that perhaps the problem isn't
    with the data or peoples' thinking but with the researchers's willingness to
    accept the data and consider what to do with it.

    Calling the idea of these stereotpyes 'dysfunctional' and a 'surface-level
    product of ignorance' seems a bit elitest for me. Instead, why do these
    stereotypes exist, particularly in such uniformity? Perhaps they are
    founded on a basis of reality yet fully explored. Perhaps they neglect a
    full appreciation of the diversity and potential of the human experience.

    It is curious that the stereotypes, and concern over these stereotypes are
    cross-cultural, if I'm reading the posts correctly. That would imply,
    maybe, that I need to rethink my thinking, my paradigms, and make sure I'm
    not holding on to false or incomplete paradigms before I become the critic
    or naysayer.

    Shouldn't we work out this data and shed light on this reality instead of
    being a judge and dismissing it out-of-hand?

    Jerrold Strong, M.A.
    Adjunct Faculty, Organizational Leadership
    Chapman University

    "Change is Inevitable, Growth is Optional"


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU]On Behalf Of Lynn Martin
    Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 4:20 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Using films to teach leadership


    I think the last commentator is absolutely right. These views are implicit,
    deeply ingrained and may not be recognized by the holders of these
    perceptions.



    Recent research at UCE has identified similar stereotypes with words such as
    "entrepreneur" "scientist" and "innovator" where images seem uniformly to be
    of a middle aged white male. Differences emerged here with entrepreneurs
    seen as ruthless, sharp suited with a range of material possessions while
    innovators were characterised as scientists i.e., irresponsible bespectacled
    meddlers, either with wild hair or bald. Hollywood has a lot to answer for,
    perhaps.



    A more depressing study last year also asked students and members of other
    groups to identify 5 names as role models of an entrepreneurs and
    innovators; 5 business sectors which might also be considered to be
    entrepreneurial or innovative. Results - All male, mainly US despite this
    being an international survey with respondents from the UK, China, India,
    other areas of south east Asia, Interestingly, this was true even when focus
    groups were held in premises owned by highly successful and dynamic Asian or
    female entrepreneurs.



    Even worse, when parts of the exercise reviewed quotes and results from
    different sectors and using cases such as Bodyshop and L'Oreal, some
    delegates really felt that "cosmetics" or the beauty industry should not be
    included as that "really wasn't a proper industry", favoring instead auto
    and aerospace, nano-technologies etc. Hence female industries too do not
    seem to count, however innovative they may be.



    Looks like we may have some work to do yet to change such perceptions.
    Please, tell me it's better in the USA!



    Best wishes



    Lynn Martin



    Dr L M Martin

    Director, Entrepreneurship and Innovation

    UCE, Perry Barr, Birmingham B42 2Su

    Untied Kingdom

    +44 121 331 7260 / 7248

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion on behalf of
    Lmxlotus@AOL.COM
    Sent: Mon 08/05/2006 09:38
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Cc:
    Subject: Re: Using films to teach leadership



    In a message dated 5/8/2006 1:49:36 AM Central Standard Time,
    terence_laoshi@YAHOO.COM.AU writes:


    Speaking of predominantly male leadership models, I teach
    students about stereotyping using a movie still with two business executives
    at a desk. I ask Ss to nominate who these two people are and what they are
    speaking about.

    Of course, nine times out of ten the man is nominated as the
    boss or other comparatively more powerful individual. Where the two have
    equal position status, the male is invariably controlling in the Ss' role
    play performances.

    Of course, students begin the lesson by avowing that they
    DEFINITELY DO NOT stereotype people.



    STEROTYPES ARE DYSFUNCTIONAL. THE THIRD CULTURE BONDING MODEL TCB IS
    BASED ON THIS POSTULATE (AOM PERSPECTIVES, IN PRESS). MALES AS PREFERRED
    LEADERS IS A SURFACE-LEVEL PRODUCT OF IGNORANCE THAT IS CORRECTED WITH REAL
    DEEP-LEVEL EXPERIENCE WE FIND ( DEALING WITH DIVERSITY, 2003, INFO AGE
    PUBLISHING, GRAEN). THIS IS THE CASE IN EVERY CULTURE THAT WE HAVE STUDIED.

    G2


  • 3.  Stereotypes

    Posted 05-09-2006 10:53
    In a message dated 5/9/2006 6:16:51 AM Central Standard Time, Jacob.Eisenberg@UCD.IE writes:
    Colleagues,

    I agree that stereotypes, in most situations, tend to be 'dysfunctional'.
    One simple reason for that is that stereotypes, by definition, are not
    accurate representation of reality and therefore can bias us in assessing a
    certain situation and bring us to base our decisions on wrong assumptions (a
    lot of research is available to that effect). At the same time, and with no
    contradiction of the first statement, at the fundamental level stereotypes
    are inevitable. Stereotyping is an integral part of human cognition and one
    of the main reasons for this 'mental shortcut' mechanism is that, for most
    of us, the world is too complex to perceive and organize and we constantly
    employ various mechanisms such as stereotyping to simplify it (e.g., to
    enable better prediction and reduce uncertainty).

    Thus, while stereotyping as a process is deep-rooted in the evolutionary
    development of our cognitive mechanism, the content of the stereotypes and
    the degree to which the process is occurring varies among persons and
    cultures and can be modified.

    Stereotypes, just like beliefs and actual behaviors, are shaped by
    individual level factors (e.g., personality, individual experiences) and by
    broader-level factors such as one's SES and culture. Cultures differ in
    their values and, consequently, so will stereotypes. Thus, stereotypes
    regarding power and sex/gender will tend to be stronger in cultures that
    Hofstede called high on Masculinity and are referred to in the GLOBE project
    as Assertiveness and Gender Differentiation. Thus, it is possible to
    explain/predict, in which cultures gender stereotypes will be more
    predominant (for example, S. Korea and Egypt are high on Gender
    Differentiation, Brazil and Italy are medium and Sweden & Denmark are low).
    Now, I am really not versed in the research areas discussed below, but I
    would guess that if these studies were conducted in Scandinavia, the general
    results would be much more 'mild'.

    Finally, my conclusion is that change in stereotypes is possible and it is
    possible to achieve it with educational tools (in my experience, combination
    of experiential learning with higher conceptual processing works well). On
    the national level, this would involve a gradual change of cultural values,
    which is a difficult and very slow process.

    Warm wishes,

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Jacob Eisenberg, Ph.D.
    UCD School of Business,
    University College Dublin,
    Belfield, Dublin 4,
    Ireland

    JACOB
     
    WELL SAID !  I AGREE WITH ALL BUT THE HOFSTEDE AND HOUSE NATIONAL STEREOTYPES DIGUISED AS DEEP-LEVEL CULTURAL PARAMETERS. THESE ALSO GET IN THE WAY OF DEEP-LEVEL CROSS-CULTURAL FRIENDSHIPS IN MY WORK. I DOUBT THAT YOU CONFORM CLOSELY TO THE GREEN IRISH TYPE. MY PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER DID NOT.
     
    GEORGE,SON OF KELLEY GRAEN


  • 4.  Stereotypes

    Posted 05-10-2006 10:49

    George (son of Kelley) and colleagues,

     

    First, weary as I am of inaccurate stereotypes (and having been numerous times both victim and perpetrator of such), I do believe that there can be 'helpful or 'tentative' stereotyping. That is, in the absence of any information on a new person from a different culture, knowing something about the general core features of that culture may aid understanding and facilitate communication. However, one has to be aware that these general, stereotypical characteristics should be adjusted and modified along with one's learning about the person as a concrete, idiosyncratic individual. At any rate, I have the issue as one of my major philosophical dilemmas in teaching Cross Cultural Management and this is the approach I am trying to encourage students to take. I did not find a way around the necessity to teach students some general characteristics, which is where the large cultural dimension frameworks are helpful.

     

    Secondly, I indeed do not conform closely to the Green Irish Type (whatever it may be), mainly because I am not Irish and my parents were born in two different nations, I grew up in a third...moved to study and work in three other countries in N. America and Europe now enjoying living and working in Ireland.

     

    Cheers,

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Jacob Eisenberg, Ph.D.
    <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">UCD</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">School</st1:placetype></st1:place> of Business,
    <st1:placetype w:st="on">University</st1:placetype> <st1:placetype w:st="on">College</st1:placetype> <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Dublin</st1:place></st1:city>,
    Belfield, <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Dublin</st1:place></st1:city> 4,
    <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Ireland</st1:place></st1:country-region>

    Tel:  +353-1-716 4774
    Fax:  +353-1-716 4762
    Email: Jacob.eisenberg@ucd.ie
    http://www.ucd.ie/busadmin/


    From: <st1:personname w:st="on">Management Education and Development Discussion</st1:personname> [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lmxlotus@AOL.COM
    Sent: 09 May 2006 15:53
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: Stereotypes

     

    In a message dated 5/9/2006 6:16:51 AM Central Standard Time, Jacob.Eisenberg@UCD.IE writes:

    Colleagues,

    I agree that stereotypes, in most situations, tend to be 'dysfunctional'.
    One simple reason for that is that stereotypes, by definition, are not
    accurate representation of reality and therefore can bias us in assessing a
    certain situation and bring us to base our decisions on wrong assumptions (a
    lot of research is available to that effect). At the same time, and with no
    contradiction of the first statement, at the fundamental level stereotypes
    are inevitable. Stereotyping is an integral part of human cognition and one
    of the main reasons for this 'mental shortcut' mechanism is that, for most
    of us, the world is too complex to perceive and organize and we constantly
    employ various mechanisms such as stereotyping to simplify it (e.g., to
    enable better prediction and reduce uncertainty).

    Thus, while stereotyping as a process is deep-rooted in the evolutionary
    development of our cognitive mechanism, the content of the stereotypes and
    the degree to which the process is occurring varies among persons and
    cultures and can be modified.

    Stereotypes, just like beliefs and actual behaviors, are shaped by
    individual level factors (e.g., personality, individual experiences) and by
    broader-level factors such as one's SES and culture. Cultures differ in
    their values and, consequently, so will stereotypes. Thus, stereotypes
    regarding power and sex/gender will tend to be stronger in cultures that
    Hofstede called high on Masculinity and are referred to in the GLOBE project
    as Assertiveness and Gender Differentiation. Thus, it is possible to
    explain/predict, in which cultures gender stereotypes will be more
    predominant (for example, S. Korea and <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Egypt</st1:place></st1:country-region> are high on Gender
    Differentiation, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Brazil</st1:country-region> and <st1:country-region w:st="on">Italy</st1:country-region> are medium and <st1:country-region w:st="on">Sweden</st1:country-region> & <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Denmark</st1:place></st1:country-region> are low).
    Now, I am really not versed in the research areas discussed below, but I
    would guess that if these studies were conducted in <st1:place w:st="on">Scandinavia</st1:place>, the general
    results would be much more 'mild'.

    Finally, my conclusion is that change in stereotypes is possible and it is
    possible to achieve it with educational tools (in my experience, combination
    of experiential learning with higher conceptual processing works well). On
    the national level, this would involve a gradual change of cultural values,
    which is a difficult and very slow process.

    Warm wishes,

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Jacob Eisenberg, Ph.D.
    <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">UCD</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">School</st1:placetype></st1:place> of Business,
    <st1:placetype w:st="on">University</st1:placetype> <st1:placetype w:st="on">College</st1:placetype> <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Dublin</st1:place></st1:city>,
    Belfield, <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Dublin</st1:place></st1:city> 4,
    <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Ireland</st1:place></st1:country-region>

    JACOB

     

    WELL SAID !  I AGREE WITH ALL BUT THE HOFSTEDE AND HOUSE NATIONAL STEREOTYPES DIGUISED AS DEEP-LEVEL CULTURAL PARAMETERS. THESE ALSO GET IN THE WAY OF DEEP-LEVEL CROSS-CULTURAL FRIENDSHIPS IN MY WORK. I DOUBT THAT YOU CONFORM CLOSELY TO THE GREEN IRISH TYPE. MY PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER DID NOT.

     

    GEORGE,SON OF KELLEY GRAEN



  • 5.  Stereotypes

    Posted 05-10-2006 14:52
    In a message dated 5/10/2006 11:34:02 AM Central Standard Time, Jacob.Eisenberg@UCD.IE writes:

    George (son of Kelley) and colleagues,

     

    First, weary as I am of inaccurate stereotypes (and having been numerous times both victim and perpetrator of such), I do believe that there can be 'helpful or 'tentative' stereotyping. That is, in the absence of any information on a new person from a different culture, knowing something about the general core features of that culture may aid understanding and facilitate communication. However, one has to be aware that these general, stereotypical characteristics should be adjusted and modified along with one's learning about the person as a concrete, idiosyncratic individual. At any rate, I have the issue as one of my major philosophical dilemmas in teaching Cross Cultural Management and this is the approach I am trying to encourage students to take. I did not find a way around the necessity to teach students some general characteristics, which is where the large cultural dimension frameworks are helpful.

     

    Secondly, I indeed do not conform closely to the Green Irish Type (whatever it may be), mainly because I am not Irish and my parents were born in two different nations, I grew up in a third...moved to study and work in three other countries in N. America and Europe now enjoying living and working in Ireland.

     

    Cheers,

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Jacob Eisenberg, Ph.D.
    <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:placename w:st="on">UCD</st1:placename> <st1:placetype w:st="on">School</st1:placetype></st1:place> of Business,
    <st1:placetype w:st="on">University</st1:placetype> <st1:placetype w:st="on">College</st1:placetype> <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Dublin</st1:place></st1:city>,
    Belfield, <st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Dublin</st1:place></st1:city> 4,
    <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Ireland</st1:place></st1:country-region>

    Tel: 

    JOCOB
     
    SORRY,BUT STEREOTYPES ARE INSULTING. YOU REACTED PROPERLY.