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Brits flock to American universities because (1) new fees (2) discrimination vs. middle class

  • 1.  Brits flock to American universities because (1) new fees (2) discrimination vs. middle class

    Posted 02-07-2003 12:44
    Glen Owen, "Students flock to American universities to beat new fees," Times
    [London], February 07, 2003
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-569335,00.html

    THE prospect of higher tuition fees in England has led to a surge in the
    number of pupils thinking about studying in America and fears of an
    undergraduate “brain drain”.
    Figures showing a fivefold increase in the number of inquiries about courses
    in the US will confirm fears voiced privately by Gordon Brown — and
    dismissed by Tony Blair — that higher fees could destabilise British
    universities.
    The Fulbright Commission, which advises Britons on access to American
    education, said that it received more than 340,000 hits on its information
    website last month, compared with a normal monthly tally of 66,000.
    The rise coincided with publication of the higher education White Paper,
    which paves the way for fees of up to £3,000 [4,884 USD] a year from 2006.
    The commission suggests that those pupils who will form the first cohort of
    students to pay the fees — now starting their GCSE courses — are already
    researching the possibility of studying abroad.
    Recruitment officers for American universities said that the demand was also
    being stimulated by independent school teachers who fear that some British
    universities are discriminating against their pupils to meet targets for
    working-class recruits.
    Some schools have appointed careers advisers who specialise in applications
    to the Ivy League.
    More than 8,400 British students are now studying in America, about half of
    them undergraduates.
    Numbers were boosted by the case of Laura Spence, the Tyneside comprehensive
    pupil who went to Harvard in 2000 after having been rejected by Oxford.
    Paul Kelly, her former head teacher, said yesterday that she was
    flourishing.
    “She is doing very well academically, even by Harvard standards. She is the
    first woman to row for the university, and her crew is the best in the
    country.”


  • 2.  Brits flock to American universities because (1) new fees (2) discrimination vs. middle class

    Posted 02-07-2003 13:38
    The referenced article does not support the bulk of my own experience.
    I have three points to make based upon my own trans-atlantic educational
    experience. I have two British degrees - a BA (Hons) in Philosophy,
    Communication Studies and English Literature from University of
    Liverpool and and an LLB (Hons)Law degree from University of Sheffield.
    I'm also about to complete my MBA in the US at a regional school
    in New York state.

    1) I can tell you for a fact that my educational debt level is far
    greater as a result of doing an American MBA than my debt level from
    both two UK degrees combined, even allowing for my full tuition scholarship
    and graduate assistant's stipend & attractive health insurance policy
    at my MBA school. My Stafford Loan burden for my MBA will be circa
    $40,000 when I graduate this May, whereas my total educational debt
    burden from both my BA and LLB degrees in the UK is closer to the
    equivalent of $15,000. In fact, I actively *chose* to take a law
    degree in the UK and then qualify subsequently at the New York bar
    *because* my legal education was significantly cheaper in the UK,
    despite Thatcherite changes to the educational grants system and
    the introduction of US-style educational loans - changes which occurred
    during my undergraduate and Law degree years in the UK (thus I have
    seen the full life-cycle of this issue percolate and then explode).
    University tuition fees may be on the rise in the UK, but UK universities
    are still likely to be cheaper than studying *anywhere* in the USA.
    Living expenses will often be less also - outside of London and
    the Home Counties, at least. I include Oxbridge in this statement
    - even *with* the additional expense levied by both Oxford & Cambridge's
    collegiate structure - I *still* say Oxford is cheaper than Harvard.
    Partly because Honours Bachelors degrees in the UK are typically
    earned in three intensive academic years that do not include the
    ludicrous "general ed" bandwidth prevalent in US undergrad degree
    programs, which presumably necessitates the four-year structure of
    the typical US bachelor's degree program.

    2) Universities in the UK do not discriminate against the "middle
    classes" anymore than affirmative action (vis a vis Bakke and the
    current University of Michigan cases) discriminates against white
    people. Equality-of-opportunity is an honourable goal. Encouraging
    the predominately "working class" attendees of UK state/comprehensive
    schools ("public schools" in US parlance) to apply to Oxbridge (Oxford
    & Cambridge)and to other "redbrick" universities in the UK (such
    as Liverpool, Sheffield, Exeter, Warwick, Manchester, ULondon etc)-
    and the government encouragement of admissions committees to admit
    deserving students from these poorer or less prestigious schools
    is a step towards academic & professional diversity - not de facto
    "discrimination against middle classes". I'm certain my perspective
    will be challenged, and I welcome the debate as a pre-Doctoral student
    interested in researching Affirmative Action and the implementation
    of diversity programs as part of an organizational behavior/human
    resources concentration.

    3)I will concede that at the DOCTORAL level, programs in Management
    are partly more attractive in the US because of the guarantee and
    level of funding available (research & teaching assistantships &
    fellowships etc) for at least the first four years in business &
    management programs in the US. In the UK, funding is rather more
    scraped together from various sources and very hard to get in one
    chunk from any of the research councils or business schools. This
    is just one of the many reasons that I have applied to four US doctoral
    programs and only one in the UK, despite the fact that I could obtain
    my DPhil or PhD in the UK in closer to three years than the usual
    "four to five" years required for completion by US programs (due
    to the first two years being spent largely on structured coursework
    rather than predominately on research).

    In conclusion, let us not forget that Thatcher decimated the historically
    "free education" ethos in the UK, leaving education policy in a shambles
    for New Labour to sort out. If I had my druthers, the UK government
    would encourage the establishment of more private universities in
    the UK (a la University of Buckingham where my brother received his
    BA in Politics & History from Lady Thatcher herself;-)), while keeping
    public universities free or cheap for students and well-funded by
    government, and that Her Majesty's government would further ensure
    that no deserving individual be denied the experience of attending
    *any* UK university including Oxford or Cambridge for want of money.
    On that last point, I'd like to see that access-to-education ideal
    upheld in the US as well.

    Vik Gill

    PS: Not wishing to detract from Laura Spence's academic and athletic
    achievements at Harvard, it is just possible that she simply "fit"
    better with Harvard than she did with Oxford and its colleges. As
    you all are aware, admissions decisions are based on a mix of criteria
    - not all of which are easily (nor preferably) quantifiable.


    At Friday, 7 February 2003, Charles Wankel <wankelc@optonline.net>
    wrote:

    >Glen Owen, "Students flock to American universities to beat new fees,"