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  • 1.  Wikipedia warning -- Wikipedia is not a reliable information source

    Posted 12-04-2005 11:37
    Dear Colleagues,

    This letter is a suggestion that you address the problem of bad
    information in student papers from an increasingly poor source:
    Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not getting better. It is getting worse. One
    reason for this is the apparent case that the status of Wikipedia as
    a much-used reference resource makes it the target of opportunity for
    hoax efforts that would never enter an edited reference text.

    There are now enough serious incidents of false and defamatory
    information in Wikipedia biographies to warrant prohibiting this as a
    reference source in universities and university-level professional
    schools. The same is true of inaccurate or false assertions in many
    articles.

    The problem with Wikipedia is not that the Wiki system MAY develop a
    solid and reliable reference work, but that in the current form, it
    DOES NOT. It is as easy to change an article for the worse as for the
    better.

    Nearly any university student today has access to a decent library
    and good on-line reference texts. In addition, anyone willing to
    search a bit will also fine outstanding SIGNED references sources by
    major scholars in many fields, as well as useful albeit older
    versions of respected references source no longer covered by
    copyright.

    The article posted to Humanist by Norman Hinton (below) and similar
    recent cases lead me to conclude that Wikipedia has no way to prevent
    problems like this from happening. This is made worse by the fact
    that Wikipedia is an automatic flow-through resource for other
    on-line sources.

    Wikipedia is unacceptable as a research tool.

    I have informed my students that they may no longer use Wikipedia as
    a reference or source on papers in my courses. I urge you to consider
    a similar statement.

    Use of Wikipedia by students and researchers is an important
    validation mechanism for Wikipedia.

    If enough of us prohibit Wikipedia as a reference source in our
    courses, programs, and schools, the message will eventually get
    through.

    When it does, Wikipedia will find an appropriate way to monitor
    contributions. If they do not, the reputation of Wikipedia will sink
    to that of another crank web site.

    Ken Friedman
    Professor of Leadership and Strategic Design
    Institute for Communication, Culture, and Language
    Norwegian School of Management

    Design Research Center
    Denmark's Design School

    email: ken.friedman@bi.no



    --

    Letter to my students on 051203:

    Friends,

    Please DO NOT use Wikipedia as a reference source in your semester
    project. You have a free on-line subscription to Encyclopedia
    Britannica through the Norwegian School of Management library, and
    you have access to many other excellent reference tools.

    Wikipedia is not reliable. The story below is an example. There is
    now enough serious incidents of false and defamatory information in
    Wikipedia biographies to warrant prohibiting this as a reference
    source in universities and university-level professional schools. The
    same is true of inaccurate or false assertions in many articles.

    The problem with Wikipedia is not that the Wiki system MAY develop a
    solid and reliable reference work, but that in the current form, it
    DOES NOT. It is as easy to change an article for the worse as for the
    better.

    You have access through our library access to many good on-line
    reference texts. In addition, anyone willing to search a bit will
    also fine outstanding SIGNED references sources by major scholars in
    many fields, as well
    as useful albeit older versions of respected references source no
    longer covered by copyright.

    The article posted to Humanist by Norman Hinton and recent cases --
    including one concerning Jens Stoltenberg that I discussed in class
    -- leads me to conclude that Wikipedia has no way to prevent this
    from happening.

    If you use Wikipedia, you MUST check at least one or two RELIABLE
    sources for the same information. Once you use a reliable source, you
    can use it directly instead of relying on Wikipedia.

    Please do NOT use Wikipedia. Choosing reliable sources and checking
    information is one of the criteria for grading the semesteroppgave.
    This is not a sudden warning. It is a reminder. If you are STILL
    using Wikipedia, please remember that I specifically brought this up
    in three lectures, the first when I return the biographies, the
    second when I gave a talk on how to write a good paper, the third in
    the session on writing your semester project. If you are still using
    Wikipedia, this is a good time to find the same information from a
    better source. If you cannot find it in another source, that should
    cause you to question the information.

    Yours,

    Ken



    From:
    Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 19, No. 474.
    Centre for Computing in the Humanities, King's College London

    www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/humanist/

    www.princeton.edu/humanist/

    --snip--

    Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:07:03 +0000
    From: Norman Hinton <hinton@springnet1.com>
    Subject: [Fwd: No wonder some people are skeptical about Wikipedia!]

    Untrustworthy Wikipedia again:

    A false Wikipedia 'biography'

    By John Seigenthaler

    USA Today (at Yahoo News), Wed Nov 30, 6:50 AM ET

    "John Seigenthaler Sr. was the assistant to Attorney General Robert
    Kennedy in the early 1960's. For a brief time, he was thought to have
    been directly involved in the Kennedy assassinations of both John,
    and his brother, Bobby. Nothing was ever proven." - Wikipedia

    This is a highly personal story about Internet character
    assassination. It could be your story.

    I have no idea whose sick mind conceived the false, malicious
    "biography" that appeared under my name for 132 days on Wikipedia,
    the popular, online, free encyclopedia whose authors are unknown and
    virtually untraceable. There was more:

    "John Seigenthaler moved to the Soviet Union in 1971, and returned to
    the United States in 1984," Wikipedia said. "He started one of the
    country's largest public relations firms shortly thereafter."

    At age 78, I thought I was beyond surprise or hurt at anything
    negative said about me. I was wrong. One sentence in the biography
    was true. I was Robert Kennedy's administrative assistant in the
    early 1960s. I also was his pallbearer. It was mind-boggling when my
    son, John Seigenthaler, journalist with NBC News, phoned later to say
    he found the same scurrilous text on Reference.com and Answers.com.

    I had heard for weeks from teachers, journalists and historians about
    "the wonderful world of Wikipedia," where millions of people
    worldwide visit daily for quick reference "facts," composed and
    posted by people with no special expertise or knowledge - and
    sometimes by people with malice.

    At my request, executives of the three websites now have removed the
    false content about me. But they don't know, and can't find out, who
    wrote the toxic sentences.

    Anonymous author

    I phoned Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia's founder and asked, "Do you ... have
    any way to know who wrote that?"

    "No, we don't," he said. Representatives of the other two websites
    said their computers are programmed to copy data verbatim from
    Wikipedia, never checking whether it is false or factual.

    Naturally, I want to unmask my "biographer." And, I am interested in
    letting many people know that Wikipedia is a flawed and irresponsible
    research tool.

    But searching cyberspace for the identity of people who post spurious
    information can be frustrating. I found on Wikipedia the registered
    IP (Internet Protocol) number of my "biographer"- 65-81-97-208. I
    traced it to a customer of BellSouth Internet. That company
    advertises a phone number to report "Abuse Issues." An electronic
    voice said all complaints must be e-mailed. My two e-mails were
    answered by identical form letters, advising me that the company
    would conduct an investigation but might not tell me the results. It
    was signed "Abuse Team."

    Wales, Wikipedia's founder, told me that BellSouth would not be
    helpful. "We have trouble with people posting abusive things over and
    over and over," he said. "We block their IP numbers, and they sneak
    in another way. So we contact the service providers, and they are not
    very responsive."

    After three weeks, hearing nothing further about the Abuse Team
    investigation, I phoned BellSouth's Atlanta corporate headquarters,
    which led to conversations between my lawyer and BellSouth's counsel.
    My only remote chance of getting the name, I learned, was to file a
    "John or Jane Doe" lawsuit against my "biographer." Major
    communications Internet companies are bound by federal privacy laws
    that protect the identity of their customers, even those who defame
    online. Only if a lawsuit resulted in a court subpoena would
    BellSouth give up the name.

    Little legal recourse

    Federal law also protects online corporations - BellSouth, AOL, MCI
    Wikipedia, etc. - from libel lawsuits. Section 230 of the
    Communications Decency Act, passed in 1996, specifically states that
    "no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be
    treated as the publisher or speaker." That legalese means that,
    unlike print and broadcast companies, online service providers cannot
    be sued for disseminating defamatory attacks on citizens posted by
    others.

    Recent low-profile court decisions document that Congress effectively
    has barred defamation in cyberspace. Wikipedia's website acknowledges
    that it is not responsible for inaccurate information, but Wales, in
    a recent C-Span interview with Brian Lamb, insisted that his website
    is accountable and that his community of thousands of volunteer
    editors (he said he has only one paid employee) corrects mistakes
    within minutes.

    My experience refutes that. My "biography" was posted May 26. On May
    29, one of Wales' volunteers "edited" it only by correcting the
    misspelling of the word "early." For four months, Wikipedia depicted
    me as a suspected assassin before Wales erased it from his website's
    history Oct. 5. The falsehoods remained on Answers.com and
    Reference.com for three more weeks.

    In the C-Span interview, Wales said Wikipedia has "millions" of daily
    global visitors and is one of the world's busiest websites. His
    volunteer community runs the Wikipedia operation, he said. He funds
    his website through a non-profit foundation and estimated a 2006
    budget of "about a million dollars."

    And so we live in a universe of new media with phenomenal
    opportunities for worldwide communications and research - but
    populated by volunteer vandals with poison-pen intellects. Congress
    has enabled them and protects them.

    When I was a child, my mother lectured me on the evils of "gossip."
    She held a feather pillow and said, "If I tear this open, the
    feathers will fly to the four winds, and I could never get them back
    in the pillow. That's how it is when you spread mean things about
    people."

    For me, that pillow is a metaphor for Wikipedia.

    John Seigenthaler, a retired journalist, founded The Freedom Forum
    First Amendment Center at Vanderbilt University. He also is a former
    editorial page editor at USA TODAY.

    --snip


  • 2.  Wikipedia warning -- Wikipedia is not a reliable information source

    Posted 12-09-2005 12:08
    Ken,

    I agree with you that Wikipedia has errors and inaccuaracies. I agree it is lamentable if someone is defamed in any forum. However, I disagree with you about the value of Wikipedia as a reference source.

    First, Wikipedia does carry a great deal of good quality articles and information. I have made a point of reviewing articles in my own areas of expertise and have found much that is of a high standard. This has encouraged me to contribute articles and to get involved in editing others.

    Yes but . . . I suspect you may say --- how do we expect students to distinguish good quality information from poor quality information?

    In my view here lies a wonderful educational opportunity. Actually we would like our students to develop the critical facility to question and interogate the value and quality of all sources, even those provided by their professors. The trouble is that when we provide them with information sources whose quality we warrant, the temptation is to treat those sources uncritically. Information sources such as Wikipedia require them to excercise discretion in interpretation and it is easy to highlight the need - the article you cite would be one way. After all, the process by which Wikipedia is compiled is transparent to them. Incidentlly, an important source of variation in Wikipedia articles is the quality of referencing. This is one starting point for assessing quality; there are others.

    How about a project which is focussed on critiquing and improving the quality of a Wikipedia entry?

    Having honed their critical skills on Wikipedia, perhaps we could encourage them to apply these skills to their textbooks?

    best regards

    Mark

    Mark Fenton-O'Creevy
    Professor of Organisational Behaviour
    Open University



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion on behalf of Ken Friedman
    Sent: Sun 04/12/2005 16:37
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Cc:
    Subject: Wikipedia warning -- Wikipedia is not a reliable information source



    Dear Colleagues,

    This letter is a suggestion that you address the problem of bad
    information in student papers from an increasingly poor source:
    Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not getting better. It is getting worse. One
    reason for this is the apparent case that the status of Wikipedia as
    a much-used reference resource makes it the target of opportunity for
    hoax efforts that would never enter an edited reference text.

    There are now enough serious incidents of false and defamatory
    information in Wikipedia biographies to warrant prohibiting this as a
    reference source in universities and university-level professional
    schools. The same is true of inaccurate or false assertions in many
    articles.

    The problem with Wikipedia is not that the Wiki system MAY develop a
    solid and reliable reference work, but that in the current form, it
    DOES NOT. It is as easy to change an article for the worse as for the
    better.

    Nearly any university student today has access to a decent library
    and good on-line reference texts. In addition, anyone willing to
    search a bit will also fine outstanding SIGNED references sources by
    major scholars in many fields, as well as useful albeit older
    versions of respected references source no longer covered by
    copyright.

    The article posted to Humanist by Norman Hinton (below) and similar
    recent cases lead me to conclude that Wikipedia has no way to prevent
    problems like this from happening. This is made worse by the fact
    that Wikipedia is an automatic flow-through resource for other
    on-line sources.

    Wikipedia is unacceptable as a research tool.

    I have informed my students that they may no longer use Wikipedia as
    a reference or source on papers in my courses. I urge you to consider
    a similar statement.

    Use of Wikipedia by students and researchers is an important
    validation mechanism for Wikipedia.

    If enough of us prohibit Wikipedia as a reference source in our
    courses, programs, and schools, the message will eventually get
    through.

    When it does, Wikipedia will find an appropriate way to monitor
    contributions. If they do not, the reputation of Wikipedia will sink
    to that of another crank web site.

    Ken Friedman
    Professor of Leadership and Strategic Design
    Institute for Communication, Culture, and Language
    Norwegian School of Management

    Design Research Center
    Denmark's Design School

    email: ken.friedman@bi.no



    --

    Letter to my students on 051203:

    Friends,

    Please DO NOT use Wikipedia as a reference source in your semester
    project. You have a free on-line subscription to Encyclopedia
    Britannica through the Norwegian School of Management library, and
    you have access to many other excellent reference tools.

    Wikipedia is not reliable. The story below is an example. There is
    now enough serious incidents of false and defamatory information in
    Wikipedia biographies to warrant prohibiting this as a reference
    source in universities and university-level professional schools. The
    same is true of inaccurate or false assertions in many articles.

    The problem with Wikipedia is not that the Wiki system MAY develop a
    solid and reliable reference work, but that in the current form, it
    DOES NOT. It is as easy to change an article for the worse as for the
    better.

    You have access through our library access to many good on-line
    reference texts. In addition, anyone willing to search a bit will
    also fine outstanding SIGNED references sources by major scholars in
    many fields, as well
    as useful albeit older versions of respected references source no
    longer covered by copyright.

    The article posted to Humanist by Norman Hinton and recent cases --
    including one concerning Jens Stoltenberg that I discussed in class
    -- leads me to conclude that Wikipedia has no way to prevent this
    from happening.

    If you use Wikipedia, you MUST check at least one or two RELIABLE
    sources for the same information. Once you use a reliable source, you
    can use it directly instead of relying on Wikipedia.

    Please do NOT use Wikipedia. Choosing reliable sources and checking
    information is one of the criteria for grading the semesteroppgave.
    This is not a sudden warning. It is a reminder. If you are STILL
    using Wikipedia, please remember that I specifically brought this up
    in three lectures, the first when I return the biographies, the
    second when I gave a talk on how to write a good paper, the third in
    the session on writing your semester project. If you are still using
    Wikipedia, this is a good time to find the same information from a
    better source. If you cannot find it in another source, that should
    cause you to question the information.

    Yours,

    Ken



    From:
    Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 19, No. 474.
    Centre for Computing in the Humanities, King's College London

    www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/humanist/

    www.princeton.edu/humanist/

    --snip--

    Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:07:03 +0000
    From: Norman Hinton <hinton@springnet1.com>
    Subject: [Fwd: No wonder some people are skeptical about Wikipedia!]

    Untrustworthy Wikipedia again:

    A false Wikipedia 'biography'

    By John Seigenthaler

    USA Today (at Yahoo News), Wed Nov 30, 6:50 AM ET

    "John Seigenthaler Sr. was the assistant to Attorney General Robert
    Kennedy in the early 1960's. For a brief time, he was thought to have
    been directly involved in the Kennedy assassinations of both John,
    and his brother, Bobby. Nothing was ever proven." - Wikipedia

    This is a highly personal story about Internet character
    assassination. It could be your story.

    I have no idea whose sick mind conceived the false, malicious
    "biography" that appeared under my name for 132 days on Wikipedia,
    the popular, online, free encyclopedia whose authors are unknown and
    virtually untraceable. There was more:

    "John Seigenthaler moved to the Soviet Union in 1971, and returned to
    the United States in 1984," Wikipedia said. "He started one of the
    country's largest public relations firms shortly thereafter."

    At age 78, I thought I was beyond surprise or hurt at anything
    negative said about me. I was wrong. One sentence in the biography
    was true. I was Robert Kennedy's administrative assistant in the
    early 1960s. I also was his pallbearer. It was mind-boggling when my
    son, John Seigenthaler, journalist with NBC News, phoned later to say
    he found the same scurrilous text on Reference.com and Answers.com.

    I had heard for weeks from teachers, journalists and historians about
    "the wonderful world of Wikipedia," where millions of people
    worldwide visit daily for quick reference "facts," composed and
    posted by people with no special expertise or knowledge - and
    sometimes by people with malice.

    At my request, executives of the three websites now have removed the
    false content about me. But they don't know, and can't find out, who
    wrote the toxic sentences.

    Anonymous author

    I phoned Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia's founder and asked, "Do you ... have
    any way to know who wrote that?"

    "No, we don't," he said. Representatives of the other two websites
    said their computers are programmed to copy data verbatim from
    Wikipedia, never checking whether it is false or factual.

    Naturally, I want to unmask my "biographer." And, I am interested in
    letting many people know that Wikipedia is a flawed and irresponsible
    research tool.

    But searching cyberspace for the identity of people who post spurious
    information can be frustrating. I found on Wikipedia the registered
    IP (Internet Protocol) number of my "biographer"- 65-81-97-208. I
    traced it to a customer of BellSouth Internet. That company
    advertises a phone number to report "Abuse Issues." An electronic
    voice said all complaints must be e-mailed. My two e-mails were
    answered by identical form letters, advising me that the company
    would conduct an investigation but might not tell me the results. It
    was signed "Abuse Team."

    Wales, Wikipedia's founder, told me that BellSouth would not be
    helpful. "We have trouble with people posting abusive things over and
    over and over," he said. "We block their IP numbers, and they sneak
    in another way. So we contact the service providers, and they are not
    very responsive."

    After three weeks, hearing nothing further about the Abuse Team
    investigation, I phoned BellSouth's Atlanta corporate headquarters,
    which led to conversations between my lawyer and BellSouth's counsel.
    My only remote chance of getting the name, I learned, was to file a
    "John or Jane Doe" lawsuit against my "biographer." Major
    communications Internet companies are bound by federal privacy laws
    that protect the identity of their customers, even those who defame
    online. Only if a lawsuit resulted in a court subpoena would
    BellSouth give up the name.

    Little legal recourse

    Federal law also protects online corporations - BellSouth, AOL, MCI
    Wikipedia, etc. - from libel lawsuits. Section 230 of the
    Communications Decency Act, passed in 1996, specifically states that
    "no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be
    treated as the publisher or speaker." That legalese means that,
    unlike print and broadcast companies, online service providers cannot
    be sued for disseminating defamatory attacks on citizens posted by
    others.

    Recent low-profile court decisions document that Congress effectively
    has barred defamation in cyberspace. Wikipedia's website acknowledges
    that it is not responsible for inaccurate information, but Wales, in
    a recent C-Span interview with Brian Lamb, insisted that his website
    is accountable and that his community of thousands of volunteer
    editors (he said he has only one paid employee) corrects mistakes
    within minutes.

    My experience refutes that. My "biography" was posted May 26. On May
    29, one of Wales' volunteers "edited" it only by correcting the
    misspelling of the word "early." For four months, Wikipedia depicted
    me as a suspected assassin before Wales erased it from his website's
    history Oct. 5. The falsehoods remained on Answers.com and
    Reference.com for three more weeks.

    In the C-Span interview, Wales said Wikipedia has "millions" of daily
    global visitors and is one of the world's busiest websites. His
    volunteer community runs the Wikipedia operation, he said. He funds
    his website through a non-profit foundation and estimated a 2006
    budget of "about a million dollars."

    And so we live in a universe of new media with phenomenal
    opportunities for worldwide communications and research - but
    populated by volunteer vandals with poison-pen intellects. Congress
    has enabled them and protects them.

    When I was a child, my mother lectured me on the evils of "gossip."
    She held a feather pillow and said, "If I tear this open, the
    feathers will fly to the four winds, and I could never get them back
    in the pillow. That's how it is when you spread mean things about
    people."

    For me, that pillow is a metaphor for Wikipedia.

    John Seigenthaler, a retired journalist, founded The Freedom Forum
    First Amendment Center at Vanderbilt University. He also is a former
    editorial page editor at USA TODAY.

    --snip


  • 3.  Wikipedia warning -- Wikipedia is not a reliable information source

    Posted 12-09-2005 13:22
    Certainly I can see that defamatory and simply wrong information is
    extremely bad not simply for those misrepresented or defamed but also for
    students who may be relying on such sources as wikipedia to underpin their
    assignments.

    Information literacy and quality judgements are key to any student working
    in areas where there is no simple right or wrong. Facts are facts (and
    those "facts" about Ken are open to being exposed as falsehoods and deserve
    to be exposed as such) but in many areas there is a real need to provide
    students with an understanding of how to make quality judgements in "softer"
    areas. As Mark points out there are many ways to teach this. The library
    profession can be very helpful here - they have an ongoing frustration with
    the use of things such as Google which are, though excellent in many ways,
    still at the stage where they are simply gophers ("go for it and fetch it"s)
    rather than offering a filter of quality (such as some internet subject
    gateways do). This may change in the future but at the moment the ranking
    algorithms although including a lot of contributory factors (over 100 in
    Google's case) seem to be weighted towards links and popularity which,
    unless one is pretty information literate, seems to imply that knowledge and
    truth are a function of community rather than an external source of
    authority. Hmm.. age old problem like should a dictionary lay down meaning
    or reflect current usage.

    Many of the newer information resources find authority in community not in a
    specified source. Indeed sometimes it can be difficult to even identify
    what the authoritative "external" source is so perhaps after all Google's
    algorithm is relevant and useful here. Do a search in Google for [ Iraq
    "chemical weapons" ] and you will see that you need to go down to near the
    bottom of page 2 before you get the first government document. This isn't
    (I don't think!) censorship or favouritism by Google but simply Google
    reflecting community. Who links to whom and how popular the sites are, I
    suspect, nudging all the .org sites up the ranking.

    So wikis, blogs and perhaps even the new "mashups" (some of which have a
    similar ethos to the wiki) are indeed potentially wrong in specific
    instances but I hope there's someone somewhere researching HOW wrong
    compared with supposedly authoritative sources. I'd hate to bar a whole new
    type of information resource from my students without sustained comparative
    evidence to justify it. They may be potentially wrong but an educational
    institution should teach its students how to make judgement calls on this
    .... not bar a whole information resource.

    Every source of information can be completely or partially wrong. Sometimes
    community provides the best, and most authoritative reality there is,
    sometimes it does not. Community does have the potential for built in
    quality control ... it can referee itself. The fact that it "can" rather
    than "always does" offers, as Mark notes, a really interesting educational
    opportunity to force critical thinking.

    Terry Kendrick
    MBA Unit Organiser. Contemporary Management Issues,
    University of East Anglia, UK
    www.terrykendrick.co.uk



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "M.P.Fenton-OCreevy" <M.P.Fenton-Ocreevy@open.ac.uk>
    To: <MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU>
    Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 5:08 PM
    Subject: Re: Wikipedia warning -- Wikipedia is not a reliable information
    source


    > Ken,
    >
    > I agree with you that Wikipedia has errors and inaccuaracies. I agree it
    > is lamentable if someone is defamed in any forum. However, I disagree with
    > you about the value of Wikipedia as a reference source.
    >
    > First, Wikipedia does carry a great deal of good quality articles and
    > information. I have made a point of reviewing articles in my own areas of
    > expertise and have found much that is of a high standard. This has
    > encouraged me to contribute articles and to get involved in editing
    > others.
    >
    > Yes but . . . I suspect you may say --- how do we expect students to
    > distinguish good quality information from poor quality information?
    >
    > In my view here lies a wonderful educational opportunity. Actually we
    > would like our students to develop the critical facility to question and
    > interogate the value and quality of all sources, even those provided by
    > their professors. The trouble is that when we provide them with
    > information sources whose quality we warrant, the temptation is to treat
    > those sources uncritically. Information sources such as Wikipedia require
    > them to excercise discretion in interpretation and it is easy to highlight
    > the need - the article you cite would be one way. After all, the process
    > by which Wikipedia is compiled is transparent to them. Incidentlly, an
    > important source of variation in Wikipedia articles is the quality of
    > referencing. This is one starting point for assessing quality; there are
    > others.
    >
    > How about a project which is focussed on critiquing and improving the
    > quality of a Wikipedia entry?
    >
    > Having honed their critical skills on Wikipedia, perhaps we could
    > encourage them to apply these skills to their textbooks?
    >
    > best regards
    >
    > Mark
    >
    > Mark Fenton-O'Creevy
    > Professor of Organisational Behaviour
    > Open University
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Management Education and Development Discussion on behalf of Ken
    > Friedman
    > Sent: Sun 04/12/2005 16:37
    > To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    > Cc:
    > Subject: Wikipedia warning -- Wikipedia is not a reliable information
    > source
    >
    >
    >
    > Dear Colleagues,
    >
    > This letter is a suggestion that you address the problem of bad
    > information in student papers from an increasingly poor source:
    > Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not getting better. It is getting worse. One
    > reason for this is the apparent case that the status of Wikipedia as
    > a much-used reference resource makes it the target of opportunity for
    > hoax efforts that would never enter an edited reference text.
    >
    > There are now enough serious incidents of false and defamatory
    > information in Wikipedia biographies to warrant prohibiting this as a
    > reference source in universities and university-level professional
    > schools. The same is true of inaccurate or false assertions in many
    > articles.
    >
    > The problem with Wikipedia is not that the Wiki system MAY develop a
    > solid and reliable reference work, but that in the current form, it
    > DOES NOT. It is as easy to change an article for the worse as for the
    > better.
    >
    > Nearly any university student today has access to a decent library
    > and good on-line reference texts. In addition, anyone willing to
    > search a bit will also fine outstanding SIGNED references sources by
    > major scholars in many fields, as well as useful albeit older
    > versions of respected references source no longer covered by
    > copyright.
    >
    > The article posted to Humanist by Norman Hinton (below) and similar
    > recent cases lead me to conclude that Wikipedia has no way to prevent
    > problems like this from happening. This is made worse by the fact
    > that Wikipedia is an automatic flow-through resource for other
    > on-line sources.
    >
    > Wikipedia is unacceptable as a research tool.
    >
    > I have informed my students that they may no longer use Wikipedia as
    > a reference or source on papers in my courses. I urge you to consider
    > a similar statement.
    >
    > Use of Wikipedia by students and researchers is an important
    > validation mechanism for Wikipedia.
    >
    > If enough of us prohibit Wikipedia as a reference source in our
    > courses, programs, and schools, the message will eventually get
    > through.
    >
    > When it does, Wikipedia will find an appropriate way to monitor
    > contributions. If they do not, the reputation of Wikipedia will sink
    > to that of another crank web site.
    >
    > Ken Friedman
    > Professor of Leadership and Strategic Design
    > Institute for Communication, Culture, and Language
    > Norwegian School of Management
    >
    > Design Research Center
    > Denmark's Design School
    >
    > email: ken.friedman@bi.no
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    >
    > Letter to my students on 051203:
    >
    > Friends,
    >
    > Please DO NOT use Wikipedia as a reference source in your semester
    > project. You have a free on-line subscription to Encyclopedia
    > Britannica through the Norwegian School of Management library, and
    > you have access to many other excellent reference tools.
    >
    > Wikipedia is not reliable. The story below is an example. There is
    > now enough serious incidents of false and defamatory information in
    > Wikipedia biographies to warrant prohibiting this as a reference
    > source in universities and university-level professional schools. The
    > same is true of inaccurate or false assertions in many articles.
    >
    > The problem with Wikipedia is not that the Wiki system MAY develop a
    > solid and reliable reference work, but that in the current form, it
    > DOES NOT. It is as easy to change an article for the worse as for the
    > better.
    >
    > You have access through our library access to many good on-line
    > reference texts. In addition, anyone willing to search a bit will
    > also fine outstanding SIGNED references sources by major scholars in
    > many fields, as well
    > as useful albeit older versions of respected references source no
    > longer covered by copyright.
    >
    > The article posted to Humanist by Norman Hinton and recent cases --
    > including one concerning Jens Stoltenberg that I discussed in class
    > -- leads me to conclude that Wikipedia has no way to prevent this
    > from happening.
    >
    > If you use Wikipedia, you MUST check at least one or two RELIABLE
    > sources for the same information. Once you use a reliable source, you
    > can use it directly instead of relying on Wikipedia.
    >
    > Please do NOT use Wikipedia. Choosing reliable sources and checking
    > information is one of the criteria for grading the semesteroppgave.
    > This is not a sudden warning. It is a reminder. If you are STILL
    > using Wikipedia, please remember that I specifically brought this up
    > in three lectures, the first when I return the biographies, the
    > second when I gave a talk on how to write a good paper, the third in
    > the session on writing your semester project. If you are still using
    > Wikipedia, this is a good time to find the same information from a
    > better source. If you cannot find it in another source, that should
    > cause you to question the information.
    >
    > Yours,
    >
    > Ken
    >
    >
    >
    > From:
    > Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 19, No. 474.
    > Centre for Computing in the Humanities, King's College London
    >
    > www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/humanist/
    >
    > www.princeton.edu/humanist/
    >
    > --snip--
    >
    > Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:07:03 +0000
    > From: Norman Hinton <hinton@springnet1.com>
    > Subject: [Fwd: No wonder some people are skeptical about Wikipedia!]
    >
    > Untrustworthy Wikipedia again:
    >
    > A false Wikipedia 'biography'
    >
    > By John Seigenthaler
    >
    > USA Today (at Yahoo News), Wed Nov 30, 6:50 AM ET
    >
    > "John Seigenthaler Sr. was the assistant to Attorney General Robert
    > Kennedy in the early 1960's. For a brief time, he was thought to have
    > been directly involved in the Kennedy assassinations of both John,
    > and his brother, Bobby. Nothing was ever proven." - Wikipedia
    >
    > This is a highly personal story about Internet character
    > assassination. It could be your story.
    >
    > I have no idea whose sick mind conceived the false, malicious
    > "biography" that appeared under my name for 132 days on Wikipedia,
    > the popular, online, free encyclopedia whose authors are unknown and
    > virtually untraceable. There was more:
    >
    > "John Seigenthaler moved to the Soviet Union in 1971, and returned to
    > the United States in 1984," Wikipedia said. "He started one of the
    > country's largest public relations firms shortly thereafter."
    >
    > At age 78, I thought I was beyond surprise or hurt at anything
    > negative said about me. I was wrong. One sentence in the biography
    > was true. I was Robert Kennedy's administrative assistant in the
    > early 1960s. I also was his pallbearer. It was mind-boggling when my
    > son, John Seigenthaler, journalist with NBC News, phoned later to say
    > he found the same scurrilous text on Reference.com and Answers.com.
    >
    > I had heard for weeks from teachers, journalists and historians about
    > "the wonderful world of Wikipedia," where millions of people
    > worldwide visit daily for quick reference "facts," composed and
    > posted by people with no special expertise or knowledge - and
    > sometimes by people with malice.
    >
    > At my request, executives of the three websites now have removed the
    > false content about me. But they don't know, and can't find out, who
    > wrote the toxic sentences.
    >
    > Anonymous author
    >
    > I phoned Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia's founder and asked, "Do you ... have
    > any way to know who wrote that?"
    >
    > "No, we don't," he said. Representatives of the other two websites
    > said their computers are programmed to copy data verbatim from
    > Wikipedia, never checking whether it is false or factual.
    >
    > Naturally, I want to unmask my "biographer." And, I am interested in
    > letting many people know that Wikipedia is a flawed and irresponsible
    > research tool.
    >
    > But searching cyberspace for the identity of people who post spurious
    > information can be frustrating. I found on Wikipedia the registered
    > IP (Internet Protocol) number of my "biographer"- 65-81-97-208. I
    > traced it to a customer of BellSouth Internet. That company
    > advertises a phone number to report "Abuse Issues." An electronic
    > voice said all complaints must be e-mailed. My two e-mails were
    > answered by identical form letters, advising me that the company
    > would conduct an investigation but might not tell me the results. It
    > was signed "Abuse Team."
    >
    > Wales, Wikipedia's founder, told me that BellSouth would not be
    > helpful. "We have trouble with people posting abusive things over and
    > over and over," he said. "We block their IP numbers, and they sneak
    > in another way. So we contact the service providers, and they are not
    > very responsive."
    >
    > After three weeks, hearing nothing further about the Abuse Team
    > investigation, I phoned BellSouth's Atlanta corporate headquarters,
    > which led to conversations between my lawyer and BellSouth's counsel.
    > My only remote chance of getting the name, I learned, was to file a
    > "John or Jane Doe" lawsuit against my "biographer." Major
    > communications Internet companies are bound by federal privacy laws
    > that protect the identity of their customers, even those who defame
    > online. Only if a lawsuit resulted in a court subpoena would
    > BellSouth give up the name.
    >
    > Little legal recourse
    >
    > Federal law also protects online corporations - BellSouth, AOL, MCI
    > Wikipedia, etc. - from libel lawsuits. Section 230 of the
    > Communications Decency Act, passed in 1996, specifically states that
    > "no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be
    > treated as the publisher or speaker." That legalese means that,
    > unlike print and broadcast companies, online service providers cannot
    > be sued for disseminating defamatory attacks on citizens posted by
    > others.
    >
    > Recent low-profile court decisions document that Congress effectively
    > has barred defamation in cyberspace. Wikipedia's website acknowledges
    > that it is not responsible for inaccurate information, but Wales, in
    > a recent C-Span interview with Brian Lamb, insisted that his website
    > is accountable and that his community of thousands of volunteer
    > editors (he said he has only one paid employee) corrects mistakes
    > within minutes.
    >
    > My experience refutes that. My "biography" was posted May 26. On May
    > 29, one of Wales' volunteers "edited" it only by correcting the
    > misspelling of the word "early." For four months, Wikipedia depicted
    > me as a suspected assassin before Wales erased it from his website's
    > history Oct. 5. The falsehoods remained on Answers.com and
    > Reference.com for three more weeks.
    >
    > In the C-Span interview, Wales said Wikipedia has "millions" of daily
    > global visitors and is one of the world's busiest websites. His
    > volunteer community runs the Wikipedia operation, he said. He funds
    > his website through a non-profit foundation and estimated a 2006
    > budget of "about a million dollars."
    >
    > And so we live in a universe of new media with phenomenal
    > opportunities for worldwide communications and research - but
    > populated by volunteer vandals with poison-pen intellects. Congress
    > has enabled them and protects them.
    >
    > When I was a child, my mother lectured me on the evils of "gossip."
    > She held a feather pillow and said, "If I tear this open, the
    > feathers will fly to the four winds, and I could never get them back
    > in the pillow. That's how it is when you spread mean things about
    > people."
    >
    > For me, that pillow is a metaphor for Wikipedia.
    >
    > John Seigenthaler, a retired journalist, founded The Freedom Forum
    > First Amendment Center at Vanderbilt University. He also is a former
    > editorial page editor at USA TODAY.
    >
    > --snip--
    >
    >
    >


  • 4.  Wikipedia warning -- Wikipedia is not a reliable information source

    Posted 12-09-2005 13:56
    It is equally lamentable that anyone would defame the Wikipedia, thus all
    those who have sought to make it a fount of information. The electronic
    form of book burning does not help the citizen as much as does educing
    critical thinking.
    Jack Ring
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "M.P.Fenton-OCreevy" <M.P.Fenton-Ocreevy@open.ac.uk>
    To: <MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU>
    Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:08 AM
    Subject: Re: Wikipedia warning -- Wikipedia is not a reliable information
    source


    > Ken,
    >
    > I agree with you that Wikipedia has errors and inaccuaracies. I agree it
    > is lamentable if someone is defamed in any forum. However, I disagree with
    > you about the value of Wikipedia as a reference source.
    >
    > First, Wikipedia does carry a great deal of good quality articles and
    > information. I have made a point of reviewing articles in my own areas of
    > expertise and have found much that is of a high standard. This has
    > encouraged me to contribute articles and to get involved in editing
    > others.
    >
    > Yes but . . . I suspect you may say --- how do we expect students to
    > distinguish good quality information from poor quality information?
    >
    > In my view here lies a wonderful educational opportunity. Actually we
    > would like our students to develop the critical facility to question and
    > interogate the value and quality of all sources, even those provided by
    > their professors. The trouble is that when we provide them with
    > information sources whose quality we warrant, the temptation is to treat
    > those sources uncritically. Information sources such as Wikipedia require
    > them to excercise discretion in interpretation and it is easy to highlight
    > the need - the article you cite would be one way. After all, the process
    > by which Wikipedia is compiled is transparent to them. Incidentlly, an
    > important source of variation in Wikipedia articles is the quality of
    > referencing. This is one starting point for assessing quality; there are
    > others.
    >
    > How about a project which is focussed on critiquing and improving the
    > quality of a Wikipedia entry?
    >
    > Having honed their critical skills on Wikipedia, perhaps we could
    > encourage them to apply these skills to their textbooks?
    >
    > best regards
    >
    > Mark
    >
    > Mark Fenton-O'Creevy
    > Professor of Organisational Behaviour
    > Open University
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Management Education and Development Discussion on behalf of Ken
    > Friedman
    > Sent: Sun 04/12/2005 16:37
    > To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    > Cc:
    > Subject: Wikipedia warning -- Wikipedia is not a reliable information
    > source
    >
    >
    >
    > Dear Colleagues,
    >
    > This letter is a suggestion that you address the problem of bad
    > information in student papers from an increasingly poor source:
    > Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not getting better. It is getting worse. One
    > reason for this is the apparent case that the status of Wikipedia as
    > a much-used reference resource makes it the target of opportunity for
    > hoax efforts that would never enter an edited reference text.
    >
    > There are now enough serious incidents of false and defamatory
    > information in Wikipedia biographies to warrant prohibiting this as a
    > reference source in universities and university-level professional
    > schools. The same is true of inaccurate or false assertions in many
    > articles.
    >
    > The problem with Wikipedia is not that the Wiki system MAY develop a
    > solid and reliable reference work, but that in the current form, it
    > DOES NOT. It is as easy to change an article for the worse as for the
    > better.
    >
    > Nearly any university student today has access to a decent library
    > and good on-line reference texts. In addition, anyone willing to
    > search a bit will also fine outstanding SIGNED references sources by
    > major scholars in many fields, as well as useful albeit older
    > versions of respected references source no longer covered by
    > copyright.
    >
    > The article posted to Humanist by Norman Hinton (below) and similar
    > recent cases lead me to conclude that Wikipedia has no way to prevent
    > problems like this from happening. This is made worse by the fact
    > that Wikipedia is an automatic flow-through resource for other
    > on-line sources.
    >
    > Wikipedia is unacceptable as a research tool.
    >
    > I have informed my students that they may no longer use Wikipedia as
    > a reference or source on papers in my courses. I urge you to consider
    > a similar statement.
    >
    > Use of Wikipedia by students and researchers is an important
    > validation mechanism for Wikipedia.
    >
    > If enough of us prohibit Wikipedia as a reference source in our
    > courses, programs, and schools, the message will eventually get
    > through.
    >
    > When it does, Wikipedia will find an appropriate way to monitor
    > contributions. If they do not, the reputation of Wikipedia will sink
    > to that of another crank web site.
    >
    > Ken Friedman
    > Professor of Leadership and Strategic Design
    > Institute for Communication, Culture, and Language
    > Norwegian School of Management
    >
    > Design Research Center
    > Denmark's Design School
    >
    > email: ken.friedman@bi.no
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    >
    > Letter to my students on 051203:
    >
    > Friends,
    >
    > Please DO NOT use Wikipedia as a reference source in your semester
    > project. You have a free on-line subscription to Encyclopedia
    > Britannica through the Norwegian School of Management library, and
    > you have access to many other excellent reference tools.
    >
    > Wikipedia is not reliable. The story below is an example. There is
    > now enough serious incidents of false and defamatory information in
    > Wikipedia biographies to warrant prohibiting this as a reference
    > source in universities and university-level professional schools. The
    > same is true of inaccurate or false assertions in many articles.
    >
    > The problem with Wikipedia is not that the Wiki system MAY develop a
    > solid and reliable reference work, but that in the current form, it
    > DOES NOT. It is as easy to change an article for the worse as for the
    > better.
    >
    > You have access through our library access to many good on-line
    > reference texts. In addition, anyone willing to search a bit will
    > also fine outstanding SIGNED references sources by major scholars in
    > many fields, as well
    > as useful albeit older versions of respected references source no
    > longer covered by copyright.
    >
    > The article posted to Humanist by Norman Hinton and recent cases --
    > including one concerning Jens Stoltenberg that I discussed in class
    > -- leads me to conclude that Wikipedia has no way to prevent this
    > from happening.
    >
    > If you use Wikipedia, you MUST check at least one or two RELIABLE
    > sources for the same information. Once you use a reliable source, you
    > can use it directly instead of relying on Wikipedia.
    >
    > Please do NOT use Wikipedia. Choosing reliable sources and checking
    > information is one of the criteria for grading the semesteroppgave.
    > This is not a sudden warning. It is a reminder. If you are STILL
    > using Wikipedia, please remember that I specifically brought this up
    > in three lectures, the first when I return the biographies, the
    > second when I gave a talk on how to write a good paper, the third in
    > the session on writing your semester project. If you are still using
    > Wikipedia, this is a good time to find the same information from a
    > better source. If you cannot find it in another source, that should
    > cause you to question the information.
    >
    > Yours,
    >
    > Ken
    >
    >
    >
    > From:
    > Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 19, No. 474.
    > Centre for Computing in the Humanities, King's College London
    >
    > www.kcl.ac.uk/humanities/cch/humanist/
    >
    > www.princeton.edu/humanist/
    >
    > --snip--
    >
    > Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:07:03 +0000
    > From: Norman Hinton <hinton@springnet1.com>
    > Subject: [Fwd: No wonder some people are skeptical about Wikipedia!]
    >
    > Untrustworthy Wikipedia again:
    >
    > A false Wikipedia 'biography'
    >
    > By John Seigenthaler
    >
    > USA Today (at Yahoo News), Wed Nov 30, 6:50 AM ET
    >
    > "John Seigenthaler Sr. was the assistant to Attorney General Robert
    > Kennedy in the early 1960's. For a brief time, he was thought to have
    > been directly involved in the Kennedy assassinations of both John,
    > and his brother, Bobby. Nothing was ever proven." - Wikipedia
    >
    > This is a highly personal story about Internet character
    > assassination. It could be your story.
    >
    > I have no idea whose sick mind conceived the false, malicious
    > "biography" that appeared under my name for 132 days on Wikipedia,
    > the popular, online, free encyclopedia whose authors are unknown and
    > virtually untraceable. There was more:
    >
    > "John Seigenthaler moved to the Soviet Union in 1971, and returned to
    > the United States in 1984," Wikipedia said. "He started one of the
    > country's largest public relations firms shortly thereafter."
    >
    > At age 78, I thought I was beyond surprise or hurt at anything
    > negative said about me. I was wrong. One sentence in the biography
    > was true. I was Robert Kennedy's administrative assistant in the
    > early 1960s. I also was his pallbearer. It was mind-boggling when my
    > son, John Seigenthaler, journalist with NBC News, phoned later to say
    > he found the same scurrilous text on Reference.com and Answers.com.
    >
    > I had heard for weeks from teachers, journalists and historians about
    > "the wonderful world of Wikipedia," where millions of people
    > worldwide visit daily for quick reference "facts," composed and
    > posted by people with no special expertise or knowledge - and
    > sometimes by people with malice.
    >
    > At my request, executives of the three websites now have removed the
    > false content about me. But they don't know, and can't find out, who
    > wrote the toxic sentences.
    >
    > Anonymous author
    >
    > I phoned Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia's founder and asked, "Do you ... have
    > any way to know who wrote that?"
    >
    > "No, we don't," he said. Representatives of the other two websites
    > said their computers are programmed to copy data verbatim from
    > Wikipedia, never checking whether it is false or factual.
    >
    > Naturally, I want to unmask my "biographer." And, I am interested in
    > letting many people know that Wikipedia is a flawed and irresponsible
    > research tool.
    >
    > But searching cyberspace for the identity of people who post spurious
    > information can be frustrating. I found on Wikipedia the registered
    > IP (Internet Protocol) number of my "biographer"- 65-81-97-208. I
    > traced it to a customer of BellSouth Internet. That company
    > advertises a phone number to report "Abuse Issues." An electronic
    > voice said all complaints must be e-mailed. My two e-mails were
    > answered by identical form letters, advising me that the company
    > would conduct an investigation but might not tell me the results. It
    > was signed "Abuse Team."
    >
    > Wales, Wikipedia's founder, told me that BellSouth would not be
    > helpful. "We have trouble with people posting abusive things over and
    > over and over," he said. "We block their IP numbers, and they sneak
    > in another way. So we contact the service providers, and they are not
    > very responsive."
    >
    > After three weeks, hearing nothing further about the Abuse Team
    > investigation, I phoned BellSouth's Atlanta corporate headquarters,
    > which led to conversations between my lawyer and BellSouth's counsel.
    > My only remote chance of getting the name, I learned, was to file a
    > "John or Jane Doe" lawsuit against my "biographer." Major
    > communications Internet companies are bound by federal privacy laws
    > that protect the identity of their customers, even those who defame
    > online. Only if a lawsuit resulted in a court subpoena would
    > BellSouth give up the name.
    >
    > Little legal recourse
    >
    > Federal law also protects online corporations - BellSouth, AOL, MCI
    > Wikipedia, etc. - from libel lawsuits. Section 230 of the
    > Communications Decency Act, passed in 1996, specifically states that
    > "no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be
    > treated as the publisher or speaker." That legalese means that,
    > unlike print and broadcast companies, online service providers cannot
    > be sued for disseminating defamatory attacks on citizens posted by
    > others.
    >
    > Recent low-profile court decisions document that Congress effectively
    > has barred defamation in cyberspace. Wikipedia's website acknowledges
    > that it is not responsible for inaccurate information, but Wales, in
    > a recent C-Span interview with Brian Lamb, insisted that his website
    > is accountable and that his community of thousands of volunteer
    > editors (he said he has only one paid employee) corrects mistakes
    > within minutes.
    >
    > My experience refutes that. My "biography" was posted May 26. On May
    > 29, one of Wales' volunteers "edited" it only by correcting the
    > misspelling of the word "early." For four months, Wikipedia depicted
    > me as a suspected assassin before Wales erased it from his website's
    > history Oct. 5. The falsehoods remained on Answers.com and
    > Reference.com for three more weeks.
    >
    > In the C-Span interview, Wales said Wikipedia has "millions" of daily
    > global visitors and is one of the world's busiest websites. His
    > volunteer community runs the Wikipedia operation, he said. He funds
    > his website through a non-profit foundation and estimated a 2006
    > budget of "about a million dollars."
    >
    > And so we live in a universe of new media with phenomenal
    > opportunities for worldwide communications and research - but
    > populated by volunteer vandals with poison-pen intellects. Congress
    > has enabled them and protects them.
    >
    > When I was a child, my mother lectured me on the evils of "gossip."
    > She held a feather pillow and said, "If I tear this open, the
    > feathers will fly to the four winds, and I could never get them back
    > in the pillow. That's how it is when you spread mean things about
    > people."
    >
    > For me, that pillow is a metaphor for Wikipedia.
    >
    > John Seigenthaler, a retired journalist, founded The Freedom Forum
    > First Amendment Center at Vanderbilt University. He also is a former
    > editorial page editor at USA TODAY.
    >
    > --snip--
    >
    >
    >
    >