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  • 1.  Samson's Off-Peopling Article

    Posted 09-17-2004 15:35
    I found a lot of food for thought in the article.
    I will comment on one area - the concept that "doing" jobs are
    disappearing. I think that they are moving around rather than
    disappearing.

    One example (out of many that are possible) would be jobs in the trucking
    industry. In Canada, we anticipate that there will be an estimated 200,000
    openings for truck drivers in the next 10 years as the current force ages
    and retires. The skills required are a combination of muscle and know how and hyper human skills all done in an office where the view changes by the
    minute (or faster).

    There was an article on this in the latest issue of Canadian Geographic
    and more coverage on CBC on the current and worsening shortage of drivers.
    http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/so04/resources.asp#two
    http://www.cbc.ca/insite/SOUNDS_LIKE_CANADA/2004/9/14.html

    As they say in the trucking industry - If You Got It A Truck Brought It! - Presently about 90% of all consumer
    products and foodstuffs used and consumed in Ontario are shipped by truck
    at some point in the distribution chain. see this and more at:
    http://www.ontruck.org/news/releases/2004/prel_2004_09_09_212626_rt.php3
    If it is true that people will start to look for sources of goods closer
    to home, then many of these jobs will be local and easier to fill.

    I do agree that our hyper human skills will become more acknolwedged. I'll
    be happy to leave behind the idea that humans are just another machine
    (that often need fixing in some people's estimation).

    Meanwhile the "Knowledge Economy" is still in flux and although I found
    the article provocative, I'm not sure that it is reliable in predicting
    where the jobs will be in the future.

    appreciatively

    Alice Macpherson
    PD & PLA Coordinator
    Kwantlen University College
    604 599-3040

    "Learning without thought is labour lost; thought without learning is
    perilous." Confucius


  • 2.  Samson's Off-Peopling Article

    Posted 09-18-2004 15:21
    Thanks for your reactions! The Futurist, in my opinion, does not have a good track record in predicting the future. They DO have a good track record for me in bringing up subjects with a different slant which helps me to think differently about an important issue. I also found food for thought. Thanks for the trucking industry information.

    I do believe that part of our job for the future, for those of us without tenure and lifetime assurances of an income stream, is to maintain an awareness of how to market our skills in the rapidly changing environment.

    Edryce

    Alice Macpherson <Alice.Macpherson@kwantlen.ca> wrote:
    I found a lot of food for thought in the article.
    I will comment on one area - the concept that "doing" jobs are
    disappearing. I think that they are moving around rather than
    disappearing.

    One example (out of many that are possible) would be jobs in the trucking
    industry. In Canada, we anticipate that there will be an estimated 200,000
    openings for truck drivers in the next 10 years as the current force ages
    and retires. The skills required are a combination of muscle and know how and hyper human skills all done in an office where the view changes by the
    minute (or faster).

    There was an article on this in the latest issue of Canadian Geographic
    and more coverage on CBC on the current and worsening shortage of drivers.
    http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/so04/resources.asp#two
    http://www.cbc.ca/insite/SOUNDS_LIKE_CANADA/2004/9/14.html

    As they say in the trucking industry - If You Got It A Truck Brought It! - Presently about 90% of all consumer
    products and foodstuffs used and consumed in Ontario are shipped by truck
    at some point in the distribution chain. see this and more at:
    http://www.ontruck.org/news/releases/2004/prel_2004_09_09_212626_rt.php3
    If it is true that people will start to look for sources of goods closer
    to home, then many of these jobs will be local and easier to fill.

    I do agree that our hyper human skills will become more acknolwedged. I'll
    be happy to leave behind the idea that humans are just another machine
    (that often need fixing in some people's estimation).

    Meanwhile the "Knowledge Economy" is still in flux and although I found
    the article provocative, I'm not sure that it is reliable in predicting
    where the jobs will be in the future.

    appreciatively

    Alice Macpherson
    PD & PLA Coordinator
    Kwantlen University College
    604 599-3040

    "Learning without thought is labour lost; thought without learning is
    perilous." Confucius


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  • 3.  Samson's Off-Peopling Article

    Posted 09-18-2004 17:04
    From: nickols@worldnet.att.net [mailto:nickols@att.net]

    On my part, I was probably too harsh. I'm sure the content of Samson's
    paper comes as news to many people and will raise awareness of some
    important issues and stimulate some productive thinking. I'm probably not
    representative of the intended audience. I've been tracking those issues
    for many years now and I've become more than a little pessimistic about the
    extent to which corporate America will come to grips with them in ways that
    benefit the American people. Indeed, the corporate landscape has altered so
    much in the last 25 years that I wonder if there is a "corporate America."

    --
    Fred Nickols
    nickols@att.net
    www.nickols.us






    > Thanks for your reactions! The Futurist, in my opinion, does not have a
    good
    > track record in predicting the future. They DO have a good track record
    for me
    > in bringing up subjects with a different slant which helps me to think
    > differently about an important issue. I also found food for thought.
    Thanks
    > for the trucking industry information.
    >
    > I do believe that part of our job for the future, for those of us without
    tenure
    > and lifetime assurances of an income stream, is to maintain an awareness
    of how
    > to market our skills in the rapidly changing environment.
    >
    > Edryce
    >
    > Alice Macpherson <Alice.Macpherson@kwantlen.ca> wrote:
    > I found a lot of food for thought in the article.
    > I will comment on one area - the concept that "doing" jobs are
    > disappearing. I think that they are moving around rather than
    > disappearing.
    >
    > One example (out of many that are possible) would be jobs in the trucking
    > industry. In Canada, we anticipate that there will be an estimated 200,000
    > openings for truck drivers in the next 10 years as the current force ages
    > and retires. The skills required are a combination of muscle and know how
    and
    > hyper human skills all done in an office where the view changes by the
    > minute (or faster).
    >
    > There was an article on this in the latest issue of Canadian Geographic
    > and more coverage on CBC on the current and worsening shortage of drivers.
    > http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/so04/resources.asp#two
    > http://www.cbc.ca/insite/SOUNDS_LIKE_CANADA/2004/9/14.html
    >
    > As they say in the trucking industry - If You Got It A Truck Brought It! -

    > Presently about 90% of all consumer
    > products and foodstuffs used and consumed in Ontario are shipped by truck
    > at some point in the distribution chain. see this and more at:
    > http://www.ontruck.org/news/releases/2004/prel_2004_09_09_212626_rt.php3
    > If it is true that people will start to look for sources of goods closer
    > to home, then many of these jobs will be local and easier to fill.
    >
    > I do agree that our hyper human skills will become more acknolwedged. I'll
    > be happy to leave behind the idea that humans are just another machine
    > (that often need fixing in some people's estimation).
    >
    > Meanwhile the "Knowledge Economy" is still in flux and although I found
    > the article provocative, I'm not sure that it is reliable in predicting
    > where the jobs will be in the future.
    >
    > appreciatively
    >
    > Alice Macpherson
    > PD & PLA Coordinator
    > Kwantlen University College
    > 604 599-3040
    >
    > "Learning without thought is labour lost; thought without learning is
    > perilous." Confucius
    >
    >
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  • 4.  Samson's Off-Peopling Article

    Posted 09-18-2004 17:58
    Fred,

    I didn't think you were harsh, but it did seem as if you were pessimistic. Your "unfettered capitalism" and "the middle class is disappearing" made me want to ask you some more questions. I do agree that the corporate landscape, as you call it, has changed, but don't you see signs of recognizing what we've done? Don't you see any signs that we are waking up to the power corporations have gained? I believe I am more optimistic than you are, but then I have not been working with these ideas for 25 years! I am glad I haven't, too, because I don't want to get pessimistic.

    Did you see the documentary, The Corporation? It was a wonderful wake-up call, though I know a small percentage of us saw it. Still, it's a start. I noticed there are several books out now about this power that we seem to have no control over. What do you think?

    Edryce

    "nickols@worldnet.att.net" <nickols@att.net> wrote:
    On my part, I was probably too harsh. I'm sure the content of Samson's paper comes as news to many people and will raise awareness of some important issues and stimulate some productive thinking. I'm probably not representative of the intended audience. I've been tracking those issues for many years now and I've become more than a little pessimistic about the extent to which corporate America will come to grips with them in ways that benefit the American people. Indeed, the corporate landscape has altered so much in the last 25 years that I wonder if there is a "corporate America."

    --
    Fred Nickols
    nickols@att.net
    www.nickols.us






    > Thanks for your reactions! The Futurist, in my opinion, does not have a good
    > track record in predicting the future. They DO have a good track record for me
    > in bringing up subjects with a different slant which helps me to think
    > differently about an important issue. I also found food for thought. Thanks
    > for the trucking industry information.
    >
    > I do believe that part of our job for the future, for those of us without tenure
    > and lifetime assurances of an income stream, is to maintain an awareness of how
    > to market our skills in the rapidly changing environment.
    >
    > Edryce
    >
    > Alice Macpherson wrote:
    > I found a lot of food for thought in the article.
    > I will comment on one area - the concept that "doing" jobs are
    > disappearing. I think that they are moving around rather than
    > disappearing.
    >
    > One example (out of many that are possible) would be jobs in the trucking
    > industry. In Canada, we anticipate that there will be an estimated 200,000
    > openings for truck drivers in the next 10 years as the current force ages
    > and retires. The skills required are a combination of muscle and know how and
    > hyper human skills all done in an office where the view changes by the
    > minute (or faster).
    >
    > There was an article on this in the latest issue of Canadian Geographic
    > and more coverage on CBC on the current and worsening shortage of drivers.
    > http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/so04/resources.asp#two
    > http://www.cbc.ca/insite/SOUNDS_LIKE_CANADA/2004/9/14.html
    >
    > As they say in the trucking industry - If You Got It A Truck Brought It! -
    > Presently about 90% of all consumer
    > products and foodstuffs used and consumed in Ontario are shipped by truck
    > at some point in the distribution chain. see this and more at:
    > http://www.ontruck.org/news/releases/2004/prel_2004_09_09_212626_rt.php3
    > If it is true that people will start to look for sources of goods closer
    > to home, then many of these jobs will be local and easier to fill.
    >
    > I do agree that our hyper human skills will become more acknolwedged. I'll
    > be happy to leave behind the idea that humans are just another machine
    > (that often need fixing in some people's estimation).
    >
    > Meanwhile the "Knowledge Economy" is still in flux and although I found
    > the article provocative, I'm not sure that it is reliable in predicting
    > where the jobs will be in the future.
    >
    > appreciatively
    >
    > Alice Macpherson
    > PD & PLA Coordinator
    > Kwantlen University College
    > 604 599-3040
    >
    > "Learning without thought is labour lost; thought without learning is
    > perilous." Confucius
    >
    >
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  • 5.  Samson's Off-Peopling Article

    Posted 10-22-2004 15:46
    From: Gary Lundquist [mailto:garylundquist@earthlink.net]

    Edryce,

    I know it's been a month since you provided access to the Sampson
    "Off-Peopling" article. I promised comments.

    I was intrigued, then disappointed. Other than a new term (off-peopling),
    which really doesn't work for me, he did not say anything new.
    It's been obvious for a decade that job loss in manufacturing was going
    to robots more than to China.
    It's been apparent since the demise of the secretary in the 80's that
    many jobs are going into computers.
    And it's been a fact of life since the economic downturn of 2000 that
    many employees in corporations are doing the jobs previously done by 2 or 3.
    He isn't the first to point out parallels between industrial and
    information revolutions.

    Sampson is right about the disruption. It is already huge and will grow.
    We will achieve higher and higher employment... for our systems.

    The worst part is that he offered no solution. His hyper-human concept is
    weak at best. An overblown language for so very little in the way of
    suggestion.

    This is too huge an issue to be addressed by individuals. As a global
    problem, it needs attention at the level of national economies.

    My inclination is to revise education, from K-12-college.
    Currently, K-12's primary job is to create conforming citizens. People
    with common language, sense of history, sense of morals, shared patriotism,
    and basic tools for life.
    Let's revise that. Let's create THINKING citizens who ask, "Why?" a
    lot. Let's develop curricula that teach thinking, strategizing, decision
    making, leadership, and change management... from the very beginning.
    Let's make learning be about how to learn... how to make learning a way
    of life, a way of being. Not something we finish when we graduate, but
    something that is as basic to life as eating. Not about passing tests, but
    about enabling productive and financially secure lives.

    I know. That can't happen. Collusion of government, military, education,
    and religion demand conforming citizens.
    Kids are more into gaming and music than asking "Why?" then finding
    answers by thinking for themselves. Parents are too stressed to put up with

    why-ing, much less encourage it.

    Some other Big Solutions - (a bit tongue in cheek)

    30 hour work week - Do you remember those predictions? That would solve our

    unemployment. Force people to share jobs instead of do 2 jobs. Imagine a
    legislated 30 hour work week. 50 million jobs created with the stroke of a
    pen.
    Think about that. People are more and more monitoring and managing
    systems. Monitors are interchangeable.
    Globalization means work can go on 24x7. A company can work 240 hours a

    week instead of 60. That opens up 8 jobs at 30 hours a week and allows the
    productivity necessary to manage our systems for competitive edge in a
    global economy.
    Of course, this requires national health insurance. And, any time a
    company fails, eight times as many people will be laid off.

    Fewer people: Quite a few countries have birth rates below replacement. If

    not for immigration, their populations would decline. So let's accelerate
    that.
    If too many people are unemployed, then we have too many people. Let's
    set a global goal for population that matches predictions for the number of
    humans needed in a systems-rich world. A billion? Maybe 100 million? Of
    course, factor in productive lifetime as health care extends longevity.
    Then start a worldwide campaign to meet that number as quickly as possible.
    There will obviously be a delay... about 20 years before birth rates can

    impact workforce. Indeed, this is a very long term solution. Since systems

    consumption of jobs will continue, we need to start this one ASAP, and carry

    it out aggressively.
    Short term, wars are preferable to disease for reducing population.
    Disease triggers compassion. We feel we must find a cure. War, on the
    other hand, delivers a sense of righteousness. (remember tongue in cheek?)
    All we need is to convince populations that those other folks are enemies,
    and we'll have volunteers eager to help reduce population.
    There is a gotcha here. You see, war results in invention of killing
    systems. Our smartest, most self reliant systems today are military
    systems. If we are not careful, and maybe even if we are, our systems will
    become smart enough to not need us any more and decide to reduce human
    population to zero.
    Another huge gotcha is this. Every current market economy depends on
    growth. Reducing population means changing the thrust of our economic
    models. Let's call it a "reverse-growth model." Are we ready for that? If

    not, when will we be?

    So... sometime around the turn of the next century, we might have done four
    things.
    Teach people to think.
    Force people into shorter work weeks and more leisure.
    Reduce population to better match needs for employees.
    Made peace with our smart systems.

    Sampson doesn't bother with big ideas. His are small and short term. The
    problem is huge and needs even bigger solutions.

    Just my opinion.

    Best to all,

    Gary


    ----------------------------
    Innovation Catalyst
    Process Accelerator
    Gary Lundquist
    President - Market Engineering International
    www.Market-Engineering.com
    Chair - The Colorado Innovation Summit
    www.InnovationSummit.com
    303-840-9929 GaryL@Market-Engineering.com


  • 6.  Samson's Off-Peopling Article

    Posted 10-24-2004 12:46
    Gary,

    Very thoughtful response, and thanks. I agree with you. My interest lies in those people who are NOT aware of what people on this list are aware of, for the very reason that one person cannot solve these complex problems. I like your solutions.

    I wonder, though, why we need to teach people to think, when I have never met an un-thinking child! Education seems to get rid of thinking skills.

    Edryce

    Charles Wankel <wankelc@optonline.net> wrote:
    From: Gary Lundquist [mailto:garylundquist@earthlink.net]

    Edryce,

    I know it's been a month since you provided access to the Sampson
    "Off-Peopling" article. I promised comments.

    I was intrigued, then disappointed. Other than a new term (off-peopling),
    which really doesn't work for me, he did not say anything new.
    It's been obvious for a decade that job loss in manufacturing was going
    to robots more than to China.
    It's been apparent since the demise of the secretary in the 80's that
    many jobs are going into computers.
    And it's been a fact of life since the economic downturn of 2000 that
    many employees in corporations are doing the jobs previously done by 2 or 3.
    He isn't the first to point out parallels between industrial and
    information revolutions.

    Sampson is right about the disruption. It is already huge and will grow.
    We will achieve higher and higher employment... for our systems.

    The worst part is that he offered no solution. His hyper-human concept is
    weak at best. An overblown language for so very little in the way of
    suggestion.

    This is too huge an issue to be addressed by individuals. As a global
    problem, it needs attention at the level of national economies.

    My inclination is to revise education, from K-12-college.
    Currently, K-12's primary job is to create conforming citizens. People
    with common language, sense of history, sense of morals, shared patriotism,
    and basic tools for life.
    Let's revise that. Let's create THINKING citizens who ask, "Why?" a
    lot. Let's develop curricula that teach thinking, strategizing, decision
    making, leadership, and change management... from the very beginning.
    Let's make learning be about how to learn... how to make learning a way
    of life, a way of being. Not something we finish when we graduate, but
    something that is as basic to life as eating. Not about passing tests, but
    about enabling productive and financially secure lives.

    I know. That can't happen. Collusion of government, military, education,
    and religion demand conforming citizens.
    Kids are more into gaming and music than asking "Why?" then finding
    answers by thinking for themselves. Parents are too stressed to put up with

    why-ing, much less encourage it.

    Some other Big Solutions - (a bit tongue in cheek)

    30 hour work week - Do you remember those predictions? That would solve our

    unemployment. Force people to share jobs instead of do 2 jobs. Imagine a
    legislated 30 hour work week. 50 million jobs created with the stroke of a
    pen.
    Think about that. People are more and more monitoring and managing
    systems. Monitors are interchangeable.
    Globalization means work can go on 24x7. A company can work 240 hours a

    week instead of 60. That opens up 8 jobs at 30 hours a week and allows the
    productivity necessary to manage our systems for competitive edge in a
    global economy.
    Of course, this requires national health insurance. And, any time a
    company fails, eight times as many people will be laid off.

    Fewer people: Quite a few countries have birth rates below replacement. If

    not for immigration, their populations would decline. So let's accelerate
    that.
    If too many people are unemployed, then we have too many people. Let's
    set a global goal for population that matches predictions for the number of
    humans needed in a systems-rich world. A billion? Maybe 100 million? Of
    course, factor in productive lifetime as health care extends longevity.
    Then start a worldwide campaign to meet that number as quickly as possible.
    There will obviously be a delay... about 20 years before birth rates can

    impact workforce. Indeed, this is a very long term solution. Since systems

    consumption of jobs will continue, we need to start this one ASAP, and carry

    it out aggressively.
    Short term, wars are preferable to disease for reducing population.
    Disease triggers compassion. We feel we must find a cure. War, on the
    other hand, delivers a sense of righteousness. (remember tongue in cheek?)
    All we need is to convince populations that those other folks are enemies,
    and we'll have volunteers eager to help reduce population.
    There is a gotcha here. You see, war results in invention of killing
    systems. Our smartest, most self reliant systems today are military
    systems. If we are not careful, and maybe even if we are, our systems will
    become smart enough to not need us any more and decide to reduce human
    population to zero.
    Another huge gotcha is this. Every current market economy depends on
    growth. Reducing population means changing the thrust of our economic
    models. Let's call it a "reverse-growth model." Are we ready for that? If

    not, when will we be?

    So... sometime around the turn of the next century, we might have done four
    things.
    Teach people to think.
    Force people into shorter work weeks and more leisure.
    Reduce population to better match needs for employees.
    Made peace with our smart systems.

    Sampson doesn't bother with big ideas. His are small and short term. The
    problem is huge and needs even bigger solutions.

    Just my opinion.

    Best to all,

    Gary


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    Process Accelerator
    Gary Lundquist
    President - Market Engineering International
    www.Market-Engineering.com
    Chair - The Colorado Innovation Summit
    www.InnovationSummit.com
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  • 7.  Samson's Off-Peopling Article

    Posted 10-24-2004 17:39
    Edryce/Gary

    I don't think one can say "Education" is entirely to blame. There are plenty of
    "alternative" schools - Discover schools in New Zealand, Summerhill in the UK,
    Montessori in just about every developed country I've ever visited, some
    supported home-schooling etc - that start where the child is and let them
    discover learning/knowledge for themselves. But these schools are not far
    enough spread, nor are enough people aware of the value that this alternative
    education can bring. Gary captures part of the role of traditional schools when
    he talks of the act of disciplining, of getting people to be self-disciplined,
    by which we can read conforming.

    And how do we help people who have already been made into good conformists break
    free of that way of thinking? Freire tells us that a process of
    consciousness-raising is needed, but that we need to beware of the "oppressor
    within the oppressed". I'm interested in hearing how some of the management and
    business schools that set out to develop managers as critical thinkers, who
    want to develop people/managers who can make "correct" ethical decisions, etc.,
    go about doing this. Is it as Freire argues, or some other process? Does it
    work in the longterm, or do people revert back to old behaviours once they've
    been back in the business environment for (say) five years? Has anyone done any
    research into the long-term impacts of education that aims to "change people's
    minds"?

    Just being curious...

    BTW part of my curiousity is due to working on thinking about and trying to get
    people and businesses to be more sustainable in their lifestyles. When someone
    has already made the decision to change to more sustainable living, it is easy
    to show them how to do it. When they don't believe there's really a problem,
    how do you get started?? Same applies to schooling, as far as I can see.

    Best wishes,

    Wendy


    Quoting Edryce Reynolds <edryce@yahoo.com>:

    > Gary,
    >
    > Very thoughtful response, and thanks. I agree with you. My interest lies in
    > those people who are NOT aware of what people on this list are aware of, for
    > the very reason that one person cannot solve these complex problems. I like
    > your solutions.
    >
    > I wonder, though, why we need to teach people to think, when I have never met
    > an un-thinking child! Education seems to get rid of thinking skills.
    >
    > Edryce

    >


  • 8.  Samson's Off-Peopling Article

    Posted 10-27-2004 00:28
    What are "Discover Schools"? I live in New Zealand, have a 3-year old daughter, continually investigate schools, but have never heard of them.
    Regards,
    Romie

    Wendy Gregory <W.J.Gregory@hull.ac.uk> wrote:
    Edryce/Gary

    I don't think one can say "Education" is entirely to blame. There are plenty of
    "alternative" schools - Discover schools in New Zealand, Summerhill in the UK,
    Montessori in just about every developed country I've ever visited, some
    supported home-schooling etc - that start where the child is and let them
    discover learning/knowledge for themselves. But these schools are not far
    enough spread, nor are enough people aware of the value that this alternative
    education can bring. Gary captures part of the role of traditional schools when
    he talks of the act of disciplining, of getting people to be self-disciplined,
    by which we can read conforming.

    And how do we help people who have already been made into good conformists break
    free of that way of thinking? Freire tells us that a process of
    consciousness-raising is needed, but that we need to beware of the "oppressor
    within the oppressed". I'm interested in hearing how some of the management and
    business schools that set out to develop managers as critical thinkers, who
    want to develop people/managers who can make "correct" ethical decisions, etc.,
    go about doing this. Is it as Freire argues, or some other process? Does it
    work in the longterm, or do people revert back to old behaviours once they've
    been back in the business environment for (say) five years? Has anyone done any
    research into the long-term impacts of education that aims to "change people's
    minds"?

    Just being curious...

    BTW part of my curiousity is due to working on thinking about and trying to get
    people and businesses to be more sustainable in their lifestyles. When someone
    has already made the decision to change to more sustainable living, it is easy
    to show them how to do it. When they don't believe there's really a problem,
    how do you get started?? Same applies to schooling, as far as I can see.

    Best wishes,

    Wendy


    Quoting Edryce Reynolds :

    > Gary,
    >
    > Very thoughtful response, and thanks. I agree with you. My interest lies in
    > those people who are NOT aware of what people on this list are aware of, for
    > the very reason that one person cannot solve these complex problems. I like
    > your solutions.
    >
    > I wonder, though, why we need to teach people to think, when I have never met
    > an un-thinking child! Education seems to get rid of thinking skills.
    >
    > Edryce

    >


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  • 9.  Samson's Off-Peopling Article

    Posted 10-26-2004 03:44
    From: Gary Lundquist [mailto:garylundquist@earthlink.net]

    Colleagues,

    Edryce replied kindly to my posting, then asked, "I wonder, though, why we
    need to teach people to think, when I have never met an un-thinking child!
    Education seems to get rid of thinking skills."

    Wendy admits current education produces disciplined, conforming students,
    then mentions, "education that aims to "change people's minds."

    Wendy answers Edryce. Restating just a bit... Education conditions people
    to accept what they are told. Think about that. Then note that other
    elements of society collude to the same end. Ponder that.

    In my speaking, I ask audiences, "Did you ever get a test from a teacher,
    glance down the list of questions, then ask, 'Teacher? Teacher!! Why do I
    have to answer question #7? What good will knowing that answer do for me?'
    "
    We don't get to ask, "Why?" A few decades ago that would have been
    ruler-over-the-knuckles time.
    Once conditioned, we don't ask, "Why?" at home, in most schools, in the
    military, when we get a job, or in church. We don't ask, "Why?" of culture,

    peers, industries, or governments. We are conditioned to accept what we are

    told.

    Then there is marketing. Marketing is the world's very best
    change-management system. Marketing seeks to define and reinforce
    acceptable consumer behaviors. (e.g., purchase decisions, loyalty to teams,
    votes for candidates, styles of clothing, styles of life, expectations for
    mates, and on and on.)
    I am an expert in marketing, yet I cringe at the behaviors presented by
    so much of marketing. We are conditioned to accept someone else's choice of

    lifestyles as models for our own behaviors.

    Edryce, one way out is to teach people to think for themselves.
    Wendy, instead of education to change peoples' minds, we need education
    to enable people to make up their own minds.

    Of course that won't happen. Indeed, we are going the other way.

    "Unthink" is rampant. Orwell was prescient. Look around.
    Once we've been conditioned to accept what we are told, we can and do
    believe in almost anything.
    By age 20, we "know" how to behave. We've been conditioned in schools
    for long enough.

    To create Sampson's "hyper-humans", we need to encourage thinking in
    every facet of life, from the beginning of life, and throughout every level
    of school.
    If not, the unthink pressures of culture will leave us unable to compete

    with our smart systems.

    Best to all,

    Gary

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    Innovation Catalyst
    Process Accelerator
    Gary Lundquist
    President - Market Engineering International
    www.Market-Engineering.com
    Chair - The Colorado Innovation Summit
    www.InnovationSummit.com
    303-840-9929 GaryL@Market-Engineering.com


  • 10.  Samson's Off-Peopling Article

    Posted 10-26-2004 09:03
    Gary Lundquist writes in part:

    > We don't get to ask, "Why?" A few decades ago that would
    > have been ruler-over-the-knuckles time.

    Having been a student in the rule-over-the-knuckles era, my initial reaction
    to Gary's comment was to wonder whether the blow was with the flat side or
    the edge of the ruler. There is a profound difference, you know.

    Next, it prompts me to tell a brief story from that time. A fifth grade
    teacher called a young lad to the front of the room, picked up her ruler and
    told him to hold out his hands. He did as directed but when she raised the
    ruler to strike his hands, he grabbed her by the wrist and removed the ruler
    from the grip. Placing it on her desk, he returned to his seat. She never
    again struck another student and not a word was ever said to the lad in
    question.

    That happened in an elementary school in my home town and I met up with the
    boy who was a legend in his own time in junior high school. He was a
    strapping young fellow and quite a scrapper. After graduating from high
    school, he pursued a career as a "big rig" truck driver.

    So what does all that have to do with asking why and thinking for ourselves?

    I think there is a difference between asking why and challenging authority.
    As an enlisted man in the Navy, I asked plenty of officers, including an
    admiral or two, the why question but only rarely did I challenge authority.
    I don't recall ever being punished for asking why, in school or in the Navy,
    but I sure got my tail in a sling whenever I challenged authority.

    I do, however, think there is a great tendency to produce conformist
    thinkers and compliant people. Fortunately, I think it's just a tendency,
    not a whopping success. People seem somehow able to shrug off their
    conditioning. Thank goodness for that.


    Regards,

    Fred Nickols
    "Assistance at a Distance"
    nickols@att.net
    www.nickols.us


  • 11.  Samson's Off-Peopling Article

    Posted 10-26-2004 12:09
    I find that many "younger" students I come in contact with are better at thinking than previous generations. They are probably not a large percentage, but I am encouraged. They are often willing to ask "Why?" and that energizes me.

    Edryce

    Charles Wankel <wankelc@optonline.net> wrote:
    From: Gary Lundquist [mailto:garylundquist@earthlink.net]

    Colleagues,

    Edryce replied kindly to my posting, then asked, "I wonder, though, why we
    need to teach people to think, when I have never met an un-thinking child!
    Education seems to get rid of thinking skills."

    Wendy admits current education produces disciplined, conforming students,
    then mentions, "education that aims to "change people's minds."

    Wendy answers Edryce. Restating just a bit... Education conditions people
    to accept what they are told. Think about that. Then note that other
    elements of society collude to the same end. Ponder that.

    In my speaking, I ask audiences, "Did you ever get a test from a teacher,
    glance down the list of questions, then ask, 'Teacher? Teacher!! Why do I
    have to answer question #7? What good will knowing that answer do for me?'
    "
    We don't get to ask, "Why?" A few decades ago that would have been
    ruler-over-the-knuckles time.
    Once conditioned, we don't ask, "Why?" at home, in most schools, in the
    military, when we get a job, or in church. We don't ask, "Why?" of culture,

    peers, industries, or governments. We are conditioned to accept what we are

    told.

    Then there is marketing. Marketing is the world's very best
    change-management system. Marketing seeks to define and reinforce
    acceptable consumer behaviors. (e.g., purchase decisions, loyalty to teams,
    votes for candidates, styles of clothing, styles of life, expectations for
    mates, and on and on.)
    I am an expert in marketing, yet I cringe at the behaviors presented by
    so much of marketing. We are conditioned to accept someone else's choice of

    lifestyles as models for our own behaviors.

    Edryce, one way out is to teach people to think for themselves.
    Wendy, instead of education to change peoples' minds, we need education
    to enable people to make up their own minds.

    Of course that won't happen. Indeed, we are going the other way.

    "Unthink" is rampant. Orwell was prescient. Look around.
    Once we've been conditioned to accept what we are told, we can and do
    believe in almost anything.
    By age 20, we "know" how to behave. We've been conditioned in schools
    for long enough.

    To create Sampson's "hyper-humans", we need to encourage thinking in
    every facet of life, from the beginning of life, and throughout every level
    of school.
    If not, the unthink pressures of culture will leave us unable to compete

    with our smart systems.

    Best to all,

    Gary

    ----------------------------
    Innovation Catalyst
    Process Accelerator
    Gary Lundquist
    President - Market Engineering International
    www.Market-Engineering.com
    Chair - The Colorado Innovation Summit
    www.InnovationSummit.com
    303-840-9929 GaryL@Market-Engineering.com


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