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It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

  • 1.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-16-2005 06:12
    As a management professor, I want business students to be known for their
    clear, businesslike, parsimonious writing. One step in that direction is to
    key them on roles of businesslike writing. One such rule might be sent as
    an email to the class or put on the course outline.

    Writing with businesslike parsimony
    In writing you should never use hedge phrases such as "I feel".
    These disqualify your ideas and make it less likely that readers will find
    them compelling. Readers will understand that "you believe, feel, think,
    etc." without you emphasizing that. It is actually "fat writing" in that
    such phrases just add words and length but not content to your text.
    Cf.: http://www.sba.muohio.edu/hwi/avoiddisclaimers.htm

    Keep up the great analysis!
    Best regards,
    Charles Wankel
    Mg-Ed-Dv List Director
    http://management-education.net/


  • 2.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-16-2005 12:49
    Charles,

    This listserv has gone quiet. Now you've opened a topic to which many can
    contribute.

    Clear, businesslike, parsimonious writing.

    To that, I'd add "bold." Let's dialog on clear, bold, businesslike,
    parsimonious writing.

    Personally, I do my best to avoid "must," "should," and similar directives.
    An editor of mine once complained that my "mustiness" made her teeth itch.

    So I'd revise the first sentence in your quote to:
    In writing, avoid hedge phrases such as "I feel".
    The "you should" is understood.

    I also found that pure directives were lazy writing on my part. I stated
    directives, then failed to justify my direction. Today I always try to
    connect suggested behaviors to reasons that justify those behaviors, in the
    same sentence. Thus:
    Hedge phrases such as "I feel" disqualify ideas in your writing,
    making them less compelling.

    I'd love to learn from others on this topic. Please share your ideas on how
    to achieve bold, businesslike, parsimonious writing.

    Best,

    Gary

    Gary Lundquist
    President - Market Engineering International
    Chair - The Colorado Innovation Summit
    303-840-9929 GaryL@Market-Engineering.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Wankel
    Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 3:12 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: It's our fault if business students do not write better than
    students in other disciplines


    As a management professor, I want business students to be known for their
    clear, businesslike, parsimonious writing. One step in that direction is to
    key them on roles of businesslike writing. One such rule might be sent as
    an email to the class or put on the course outline.

    Writing with businesslike parsimony
    In writing you should never use hedge phrases such as "I feel".
    These disqualify your ideas and make it less likely that readers will find
    them compelling. Readers will understand that "you believe, feel, think,
    etc." without you emphasizing that. It is actually "fat writing" in that
    such phrases just add words and length but not content to your text.
    Cf.: http://www.sba.muohio.edu/hwi/avoiddisclaimers.htm

    Keep up the great analysis!
    Best regards,
    Charles Wankel
    Mg-Ed-Dv List Director
    http://management-education.net/


  • 3.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-24-2005 14:39
    From: Chris Barlow [mailto:chrisbarlow@cocreativity.com]

    To boldly and parimoniously tell you all how wrong you are about
    insisting on bold parsimonious writing and avoiding phrases like "I
    feel" broadcasts arrogance and cuts off effective discussion of complex
    issues.

    Like this one.

    Improved writing is a clear problem for students and managers, but often
    a greater problem for professors.

    Clearly and authoritatively stating a simple opinion in a complex and
    conflicted area may be bold, and grammatical, but it is wrong, and often
    ends considered discussion and learning, especially when coming from an
    "authority".

    In the real world of solving complex, multiple discipline business and
    technical problems, it is very useful to complexly describe complex
    dynamics, and it is critical to develop an interaction style in which
    people accept that they may only be partially right. Learning to label
    statements to clarify the source of different perspectives and to
    separate "I think" from "I feel" lubricates the interaction and enables
    a more complex comprehension of complex situations.

    Christopher M. Barlow, PhD
    The Co-Creativity Institute
    551 Roosevelt Road #112
    Glen Ellyn, Illinois 60137
    Voice: (630) 221-9456
    mailto://barlow@cocreativity.com
    http://www.cocreativity.com


  • 4.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-24-2005 16:57
    This is a very interesting thread, at least for me.

    A couple of things come to mind. In the "I think" versus "I feel" this
    may well be a statement about personal style as much as anything. What
    is "proper" according to such luminaries as Strunk and White has little
    to do with what comes from the writer. Take a peak at the Myers-Briggs
    Temperament Indicators and you will see that this assessment actually
    segments dominant styles into thinkers and feelers. It is my experience,
    not based on any validated scientific study but rather a general
    qualitative personal study, that when someone says or write with any
    regularity " I think" or "I feel" that this is a tip off to their style.
    So if anything, the issue now becomes one of understanding the
    importance of editing one's writing. I do not remember who the quote
    comes from, but a famous speech writer for one of our presidents
    perhaps, is quoted as saying something to the effect that "on bad days
    he has to rewrite everything five times, but on good days only four
    times." In today's email culture, the rewriting and editing of
    communication is easier than ever, but is less frequently done.
    So perhaps one of the issues is simply teaching students the importance
    of editing their work.
    Additionally, all disciplines, I believe (think, feel) should begin to
    understand the importance of the work done by Howard Gardner under the
    heading of Multiple Intelligence. Gardner's landmark work has shown the
    individuals have various strengths in the way they learn.
    So for example in teaching business concepts to photography students one
    should not expect them to be strong writers. In fact, if you are
    interested in "results" that is students learning the concepts, you
    might go as far as allowing "final papers" to be done as a "music video"
    or perhaps even a photo essay as long as students are able to
    demonstrate competency of the concepts. Once they have competency of the
    concepts, it becomes easy for them to put these ideas into practice and
    even "bridge" an apparent weakness in writing to write out a business
    plan.
    -rr
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Wankel
    Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:39 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better
    than students in other disciplines

    From: Chris Barlow [mailto:chrisbarlow@cocreativity.com]

    To boldly and parimoniously tell you all how wrong you are about
    insisting on bold parsimonious writing and avoiding phrases like "I
    feel" broadcasts arrogance and cuts off effective discussion of complex
    issues.

    Like this one.

    Improved writing is a clear problem for students and managers, but often
    a greater problem for professors.

    Clearly and authoritatively stating a simple opinion in a complex and
    conflicted area may be bold, and grammatical, but it is wrong, and often
    ends considered discussion and learning, especially when coming from an
    "authority".

    In the real world of solving complex, multiple discipline business and
    technical problems, it is very useful to complexly describe complex
    dynamics, and it is critical to develop an interaction style in which
    people accept that they may only be partially right. Learning to label
    statements to clarify the source of different perspectives and to
    separate "I think" from "I feel" lubricates the interaction and enables
    a more complex comprehension of complex situations.

    Christopher M. Barlow, PhD
    The Co-Creativity Institute
    551 Roosevelt Road #112
    Glen Ellyn, Illinois 60137
    Voice: (630) 221-9456
    mailto://barlow@cocreativity.com
    http://www.cocreativity.com


  • 5.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-25-2005 13:21
    I, too, have been drawn into this conversation and find it intriguing. The students in my two capstone MBA courses submit extensive written analyses of a case or the consulting project. 10% of the course grade comes from the spelling, grammatical, and organizational correctness, clarity, and integrity of their writing and language choices. I provide a feedback and evaluation rubric in the syllabus and extensive feedback on the places where they have errors in spelling, grammar, clarity, and organization. Even with that feedback on preliminary drafts during the semester, it is rare that I have a student who submits an error-free paper by the end of the semester.

    Many of my MBA students have never written a paper that is as long as the papers they submit in my courses. It takes multiple drafts and extensive feedback to allow them to see the patterns of their errors. Some do not even use the spell checker and grammar checker, nor do they proofread. It is my experience over a 33 year teaching career that the writing abilities of my students have deteriorated over the last 15 years.

    I agree with Rusty that qualifiers such as "I believe" and "I think" are appropriate and do give an indication of a student's learning style preferences. I also believe as a result of my extensive exploration of learning style models that there are other aspects of writing, particularly in graphical display, that are indications of learning style preferences. The VARK model and the Felder-Silverman model offer some indicators of that.

    My other comment - and I recognize it as a personal preference - focuses on the use of the passive voice. The passive voice is a very weak writing construction. Unfortunately, it is rampant in govermental writing. Passive voice sidesteps accountability. I always recommend to my students to use the first person active voice and take credit and accountability for the analyses and the recommendations they make. The active voice is a much stronger writing construction.

    Finally, I would like to advocate that each individual has a particular writing style. We should not be standardizing writing style but should insist on error free writing, writing that is clear, and writing that is well-reasoned and supported, including clear articulation and justification of assumptions. Students should develop their individual writing styles.

    The implication of all of this for me is each of us, as faculty, have a responsibility to train ourselves to be competent in giving sound feedback to our students on the quality and correctness of the writing that students submit to us. Going even farther, we should be asking our students to submit written assignments as part of every course so that we can continue to develop those feedback skills and signal to our students the importance of developing their writing skills.

    Tom Hawk, Management Department, College of Business, Frostburg State University.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion on behalf of rusty rae
    Sent: Sun 7/24/2005 4:56 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    This is a very interesting thread, at least for me.

    A couple of things come to mind. In the "I think" versus "I feel" this
    may well be a statement about personal style as much as anything. What
    is "proper" according to such luminaries as Strunk and White has little
    to do with what comes from the writer. Take a peak at the Myers-Briggs
    Temperament Indicators and you will see that this assessment actually
    segments dominant styles into thinkers and feelers. It is my experience,
    not based on any validated scientific study but rather a general
    qualitative personal study, that when someone says or write with any
    regularity " I think" or "I feel" that this is a tip off to their style.
    So if anything, the issue now becomes one of understanding the
    importance of editing one's writing. I do not remember who the quote
    comes from, but a famous speech writer for one of our presidents
    perhaps, is quoted as saying something to the effect that "on bad days
    he has to rewrite everything five times, but on good days only four
    times." In today's email culture, the rewriting and editing of
    communication is easier than ever, but is less frequently done.
    So perhaps one of the issues is simply teaching students the importance
    of editing their work.
    Additionally, all disciplines, I believe (think, feel) should begin to
    understand the importance of the work done by Howard Gardner under the
    heading of Multiple Intelligence. Gardner's landmark work has shown the
    individuals have various strengths in the way they learn.
    So for example in teaching business concepts to photography students one
    should not expect them to be strong writers. In fact, if you are
    interested in "results" that is students learning the concepts, you
    might go as far as allowing "final papers" to be done as a "music video"
    or perhaps even a photo essay as long as students are able to
    demonstrate competency of the concepts. Once they have competency of the
    concepts, it becomes easy for them to put these ideas into practice and
    even "bridge" an apparent weakness in writing to write out a business
    plan.
    -rr
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Wankel
    Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:39 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better
    than students in other disciplines

    From: Chris Barlow [mailto:chrisbarlow@cocreativity.com]

    To boldly and parimoniously tell you all how wrong you are about
    insisting on bold parsimonious writing and avoiding phrases like "I
    feel" broadcasts arrogance and cuts off effective discussion of complex
    issues.

    Like this one.

    Improved writing is a clear problem for students and managers, but often
    a greater problem for professors.

    Clearly and authoritatively stating a simple opinion in a complex and
    conflicted area may be bold, and grammatical, but it is wrong, and often
    ends considered discussion and learning, especially when coming from an
    "authority".

    In the real world of solving complex, multiple discipline business and
    technical problems, it is very useful to complexly describe complex
    dynamics, and it is critical to develop an interaction style in which
    people accept that they may only be partially right. Learning to label
    statements to clarify the source of different perspectives and to
    separate "I think" from "I feel" lubricates the interaction and enables
    a more complex comprehension of complex situations.

    Christopher M. Barlow, PhD
    The Co-Creativity Institute
    551 Roosevelt Road #112
    Glen Ellyn, Illinois 60137
    Voice: (630) 221-9456
    mailto://barlow@cocreativity.com
    http://www.cocreativity.com


  • 6.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-25-2005 14:05
    Colleagues,

    Tom Hawk hit my button re the passive voice. Passive voice bothers me so
    much that I tend to pre-judge the content.
    One of my editors showed me how to avoid that problem. Eliminate use of
    the verb "to be." Of course, that isn't always possible, yet minimizing
    "is, are, can be, etc." works wonders. As a teaching tool, you can teach
    the concept in a few moments and promise to grade that way. It forces
    rethinking and, in my opinion, forces better thinking.

    Best,

    Gary

    PS: I'm publishing a newsletter on innovation.
    www.ColoradoInnovation.blogs.com. I'd appreciate reviews of my writing. To
    get on the mailing list, respond with "subscribe" in the subject line.


    Change agent skills
    are as important to individual success
    as are professional discipline skills.

    Gary Lundquist
    President - Market Engineering International
    www.Market-Engineering.com
    Chair - The Colorado Innovation Summit
    www.InnovationSummit.com
    303-840-9929 GaryL@Market-Engineering.com



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Hawk
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:21 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better than
    students in other disciplines


    I, too, have been drawn into this conversation and find it intriguing. The
    students in my two capstone MBA courses submit extensive written analyses of
    a case or the consulting project. 10% of the course grade comes from the
    spelling, grammatical, and organizational correctness, clarity, and
    integrity of their writing and language choices. I provide a feedback and
    evaluation rubric in the syllabus and extensive feedback on the places where
    they have errors in spelling, grammar, clarity, and organization. Even with
    that feedback on preliminary drafts during the semester, it is rare that I
    have a student who submits an error-free paper by the end of the semester.

    Many of my MBA students have never written a paper that is as long as the
    papers they submit in my courses. It takes multiple drafts and extensive
    feedback to allow them to see the patterns of their errors. Some do not even
    use the spell checker and grammar checker, nor do they proofread. It is my
    experience over a 33 year teaching career that the writing abilities of my
    students have deteriorated over the last 15 years.

    I agree with Rusty that qualifiers such as "I believe" and "I think" are
    appropriate and do give an indication of a student's learning style
    preferences. I also believe as a result of my extensive exploration of
    learning style models that there are other aspects of writing, particularly
    in graphical display, that are indications of learning style preferences.
    The VARK model and the Felder-Silverman model offer some indicators of that.

    My other comment - and I recognize it as a personal preference - focuses on
    the use of the passive voice. The passive voice is a very weak writing
    construction. Unfortunately, it is rampant in govermental writing. Passive
    voice sidesteps accountability. I always recommend to my students to use the
    first person active voice and take credit and accountability for the
    analyses and the recommendations they make. The active voice is a much
    stronger writing construction.

    Finally, I would like to advocate that each individual has a particular
    writing style. We should not be standardizing writing style but should
    insist on error free writing, writing that is clear, and writing that is
    well-reasoned and supported, including clear articulation and justification
    of assumptions. Students should develop their individual writing styles.

    The implication of all of this for me is each of us, as faculty, have a
    responsibility to train ourselves to be competent in giving sound feedback
    to our students on the quality and correctness of the writing that students
    submit to us. Going even farther, we should be asking our students to submit
    written assignments as part of every course so that we can continue to
    develop those feedback skills and signal to our students the importance of
    developing their writing skills.

    Tom Hawk, Management Department, College of Business, Frostburg State
    University.


  • 7.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-26-2005 00:42
    I find it interesting that we're discussing
    remediation of what should have been taught and
    learned in primary and secondary school. Perhaps we're
    starting in the wrong place; e.g., much of public
    education is locally funded and under local control in
    the USA.
    Regards,
    Romie

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  • 8.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-26-2005 01:03
    I have to butt in at this late point in the
    discussion but I think a primary fault is the
    abandonment of responsibility to the schools by
    parents. Ultimately it is the responsibility of
    the parents to see that their children get the
    education they need. In California (which ranks
    somewhere in the lower half, I think, in public
    funding for education) it is a problem getting
    parents involved in their children's education -
    with the exception of upper SES communities. By
    the time they get to us the effects are very
    clear!

    Chris Poulson



    >I find it interesting that we're discussing
    >remediation of what should have been taught and
    >learned in primary and secondary school. Perhaps we're
    >starting in the wrong place; e.g., much of public
    >education is locally funded and under local control in
    >the USA.
    >Regards,
    >Romie
    >
    >PARTICIPATE in a study of leadership & values:
    >hppt://www.leadershipvalues.homestead.com/
    >"Who dare to teach must never cease to learn."-John Cotton Dana
    >Romie F. Littrell, PhD, An fánaí fiáin
    >Faculty of Business, Auckland University of Technology, N.Z.
    >http://www.romielittrellpubs.homestead.com/
    >http://www.crossculturalcentre.homestead.com/
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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  • 9.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-26-2005 13:29
    Colleagues,

    Not being an academic, my opinions on responsibility may be out of touch.

    It seems to me that college professors need to work with what they get in
    terms of prepared students. Yeah, it would have been nice if they were
    better prepared. Yeah, we should lobby for better middle and high school
    teaching. Still, it seems that principles of good writing can be taught
    along with courses that demand papers.

    Indeed, it seems a core responsibility, not matter what the discipline or
    department. It's easy to blame the system or parents, yet day by day, year
    by year your job is to prepare students for life.

    I jumped on this topic because I saw the potential for collaboration to help
    everyone help their students. I've offered a couple of principles I find
    that work (in non-academic training). If we shared enough ideas, we could
    sift out perhaps six to ten easily taught, logically graded principles that
    would help students significantly improve their writing.

    If the principles work in the business schools, then they might work in arts
    and sciences.

    Hey, this could be the beginning of the end of the painfully poor writing of
    new employees taking their first jobs.

    Best to all,

    Gary
    303-840-9929 GaryL@Market-Engineering.com


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Romie Littrell
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:42 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better than
    students in other disciplines


    I find it interesting that we're discussing
    remediation of what should have been taught and
    learned in primary and secondary school. Perhaps we're
    starting in the wrong place; e.g., much of public
    education is locally funded and under local control in
    the USA.
    Regards,
    Romie

    PARTICIPATE in a study of leadership & values:
    hppt://www.leadershipvalues.homestead.com/
    "Who dare to teach must never cease to learn."-John Cotton Dana
    Romie F. Littrell, PhD, An fánaí fiáin
    Faculty of Business, Auckland University of Technology, N.Z.
    http://www.romielittrellpubs.homestead.com/
    http://www.crossculturalcentre.homestead.com/





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  • 10.  Our Responsibility: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-26-2005 23:56
    As a university professor, I do work with what I get
    and try to improve their writing. In doing so I am
    taking time away that might be better used to teach
    course content. My suggestion was to start fixing the
    problem where it originates.
    Rgds,
    Romie

    --- Gary Lundquist <garyl@market-engineering.com>
    wrote:

    > Colleagues,
    >
    > Not being an academic, my opinions on responsibility
    > may be out of touch.
    >
    > It seems to me that college professors need to work
    > with what they get in
    > terms of prepared students. Yeah, it would have
    > been nice if they were
    > better prepared. Yeah, we should lobby for better
    > middle and high school
    > teaching. Still, it seems that principles of good
    > writing can be taught
    > along with courses that demand papers.
    >
    > Indeed, it seems a core responsibility, not matter
    > what the discipline or
    > department. It's easy to blame the system or
    > parents, yet day by day, year
    > by year your job is to prepare students for life.
    >
    > I jumped on this topic because I saw the potential
    > for collaboration to help
    > everyone help their students. I've offered a couple
    > of principles I find
    > that work (in non-academic training). If we shared
    > enough ideas, we could
    > sift out perhaps six to ten easily taught, logically
    > graded principles that
    > would help students significantly improve their
    > writing.
    >
    > If the principles work in the business schools, then
    > they might work in arts
    > and sciences.
    >
    > Hey, this could be the beginning of the end of the
    > painfully poor writing of
    > new employees taking their first jobs.
    >
    > Best to all,
    >
    > Gary
    > 303-840-9929 GaryL@Market-Engineering.com
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Management Education and Development
    > Discussion
    > [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of
    > Romie Littrell
    > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:42 PM
    > To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    > Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do
    > not write better than
    > students in other disciplines
    >
    >
    > I find it interesting that we're discussing
    > remediation of what should have been taught and
    > learned in primary and secondary school. Perhaps
    > we're
    > starting in the wrong place; e.g., much of public
    > education is locally funded and under local control
    > in
    > the USA.
    > Regards,
    > Romie
    >
    > PARTICIPATE in a study of leadership & values:
    > hppt://www.leadershipvalues.homestead.com/
    > "Who dare to teach must never cease to learn."-John
    > Cotton Dana
    > Romie F. Littrell, PhD, An f�na� fi�in
    > Faculty of Business, Auckland University of
    > Technology, N.Z.
    > http://www.romielittrellpubs.homestead.com/
    > http://www.crossculturalcentre.homestead.com/
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    ___________________________________________________________
    > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC
    > calling worldwide with
    > voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
    >


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    Romie F. Littrell, PhD, An f�na� fi�in
    Faculty of Business, Auckland University of Technology, N.Z.
    http://www.romielittrellpubs.homestead.com/
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  • 11.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-25-2005 14:40
    Colleagues,

    May I tell you a sad story about writing?

    I once worked with a federal lab helping them to transfer technology,
    typically through licensing of patents. Early in the process, one of the
    scientists brought me his letter to a potential licensee. For several
    reasons, that letter was his one and only chance. He'd worked diligently on
    the content, and was hoping for the best.

    His letter had three paragraphs: One of seven lines, one of 1.5 pages, and a
    sign-off of three lines. The middle paragraph was focused tightly on the
    technology which was described with, shall we say, difficult technical
    language. He did not license his technology. He did not even receive
    acknowledgement of his letter. I've wondered ever since how many
    opportunities go begging because we can't speak well in writing.

    Back when I wrote academic papers (geophysics), I had the unique pleasure of
    a conversation with the editor of a major scientific journal. He share a
    core truth of written communication. People scan documents. They look for
    an excuse to get into the details. Good titles lead people to read
    abstracts, and abstracts lead people to scan the article itself. In
    scanning, they read the first few words of paragraphs. If a quick glance at
    the first page intrigues them, they'll go back and do it all thoroughly.

    Lesson 1 for your students. Write to capture readers who don't have to read
    your work. Write to capture the interest of scanners.

    That letter from my scientist friend so horrified me that I wrote one pager,
    "The Business Letter," with thirty recommendations, many of which I learned
    in junior high school. (I had the great pleasure of writing a paper a week,
    for three years.) It turns out that front loading paragraphs and sentences
    improves directness. (see previous posting)

    You can easily explain front loading. You can grade on how well scanning
    captures key elements of content.

    Lesson 2 for your students. Put the audience at the center.

    My scientist colleague had written a technology-centered letter. Let's call
    it self-centered, since he was so tied to his work. Since then, I've begun
    to teach "customer-centered communication." I like the alliteration, yet a
    better title would be "audience-centered communication."

    You can teach your students that communications can be self-centered or
    audience-centered. Indeed, you can grade on "the center."

    Unfortunately, writing for an audience center is damned difficult. It means
    putting someone else first. It means knowing them so well that I can set a
    context that puts them in the picture, then present benefits up front for
    their continued attention.

    I promote the courses with: "Effective product brochures are NOT about
    products." If not about the product, then what could they be about? Any
    ideas? Well... they could be about the customer, their problems or
    frustrations, then a vision of those problems solved, and finally how the
    product is the optimum choice. Value, vision, solution. In that order.

    And consider: "Effective business plans are NOT about businesses!" Think
    about that for a moment. Surely a business plan must focus on the business.
    But then, why is the business in business? Effective business plans are
    about opportunities, return on investment, and how those returns will be
    delivered.

    The audience center is not easy, yet it does more for readability than other
    lesson I can offer.

    Best,

    Gary

    PS: I'm publishing a newsletter on innovation.
    www.ColoradoInnovation.blogs.com. I try for an audience center every month.
    I'd appreciate your evaluation. To get on the mailing list, respond with
    "subscribe" in the subject line.

    Change agent skills
    are as important to individual success
    as are professional discipline skills.

    Gary Lundquist
    President - Market Engineering International
    www.Market-Engineering.com
    Chair - The Colorado Innovation Summit
    www.InnovationSummit.com
    303-840-9929 GaryL@Market-Engineering.com



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Hawk
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:21 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better than
    students in other disciplines


    I, too, have been drawn into this conversation and find it intriguing. The
    students in my two capstone MBA courses submit extensive written analyses of
    a case or the consulting project. 10% of the course grade comes from the
    spelling, grammatical, and organizational correctness, clarity, and
    integrity of their writing and language choices. I provide a feedback and
    evaluation rubric in the syllabus and extensive feedback on the places where
    they have errors in spelling, grammar, clarity, and organization. Even with
    that feedback on preliminary drafts during the semester, it is rare that I
    have a student who submits an error-free paper by the end of the semester.

    Many of my MBA students have never written a paper that is as long as the
    papers they submit in my courses. It takes multiple drafts and extensive
    feedback to allow them to see the patterns of their errors. Some do not even
    use the spell checker and grammar checker, nor do they proofread. It is my
    experience over a 33 year teaching career that the writing abilities of my
    students have deteriorated over the last 15 years.

    I agree with Rusty that qualifiers such as "I believe" and "I think" are
    appropriate and do give an indication of a student's learning style
    preferences. I also believe as a result of my extensive exploration of
    learning style models that there are other aspects of writing, particularly
    in graphical display, that are indications of learning style preferences.
    The VARK model and the Felder-Silverman model offer some indicators of that.

    My other comment - and I recognize it as a personal preference - focuses on
    the use of the passive voice. The passive voice is a very weak writing
    construction. Unfortunately, it is rampant in govermental writing. Passive
    voice sidesteps accountability. I always recommend to my students to use the
    first person active voice and take credit and accountability for the
    analyses and the recommendations they make. The active voice is a much
    stronger writing construction.

    Finally, I would like to advocate that each individual has a particular
    writing style. We should not be standardizing writing style but should
    insist on error free writing, writing that is clear, and writing that is
    well-reasoned and supported, including clear articulation and justification
    of assumptions. Students should develop their individual writing styles.

    The implication of all of this for me is each of us, as faculty, have a
    responsibility to train ourselves to be competent in giving sound feedback
    to our students on the quality and correctness of the writing that students
    submit to us. Going even farther, we should be asking our students to submit
    written assignments as part of every course so that we can continue to
    develop those feedback skills and signal to our students the importance of
    developing their writing skills.

    Tom Hawk, Management Department, College of Business, Frostburg State
    University.


  • 12.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-26-2005 13:34
    Hi all,

    I'd take passive voice in a paper anyday if I could somehow eliminate the meaningless and frustratingly repetitive "like" "I from students' spoken vocabularies.

    Bill Smith
    Towson Univ.




    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of Gary Lundquist
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:05 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better
    than students in other disciplines


    Colleagues,

    Tom Hawk hit my button re the passive voice. Passive voice bothers me so
    much that I tend to pre-judge the content.
    One of my editors showed me how to avoid that problem. Eliminate use of
    the verb "to be." Of course, that isn't always possible, yet minimizing
    "is, are, can be, etc." works wonders. As a teaching tool, you can teach
    the concept in a few moments and promise to grade that way. It forces
    rethinking and, in my opinion, forces better thinking.

    Best,

    Gary

    PS: I'm publishing a newsletter on innovation.
    www.ColoradoInnovation.blogs.com. I'd appreciate reviews of my writing. To
    get on the mailing list, respond with "subscribe" in the subject line.


    Change agent skills
    are as important to individual success
    as are professional discipline skills.

    Gary Lundquist
    President - Market Engineering International
    www.Market-Engineering.com
    Chair - The Colorado Innovation Summit
    www.InnovationSummit.com
    303-840-9929 GaryL@Market-Engineering.com



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Hawk
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:21 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better than
    students in other disciplines


    I, too, have been drawn into this conversation and find it intriguing. The
    students in my two capstone MBA courses submit extensive written analyses of
    a case or the consulting project. 10% of the course grade comes from the
    spelling, grammatical, and organizational correctness, clarity, and
    integrity of their writing and language choices. I provide a feedback and
    evaluation rubric in the syllabus and extensive feedback on the places where
    they have errors in spelling, grammar, clarity, and organization. Even with
    that feedback on preliminary drafts during the semester, it is rare that I
    have a student who submits an error-free paper by the end of the semester.

    Many of my MBA students have never written a paper that is as long as the
    papers they submit in my courses. It takes multiple drafts and extensive
    feedback to allow them to see the patterns of their errors. Some do not even
    use the spell checker and grammar checker, nor do they proofread. It is my
    experience over a 33 year teaching career that the writing abilities of my
    students have deteriorated over the last 15 years.

    I agree with Rusty that qualifiers such as "I believe" and "I think" are
    appropriate and do give an indication of a student's learning style
    preferences. I also believe as a result of my extensive exploration of
    learning style models that there are other aspects of writing, particularly
    in graphical display, that are indications of learning style preferences.
    The VARK model and the Felder-Silverman model offer some indicators of that.

    My other comment - and I recognize it as a personal preference - focuses on
    the use of the passive voice. The passive voice is a very weak writing
    construction. Unfortunately, it is rampant in govermental writing. Passive
    voice sidesteps accountability. I always recommend to my students to use the
    first person active voice and take credit and accountability for the
    analyses and the recommendations they make. The active voice is a much
    stronger writing construction.

    Finally, I would like to advocate that each individual has a particular
    writing style. We should not be standardizing writing style but should
    insist on error free writing, writing that is clear, and writing that is
    well-reasoned and supported, including clear articulation and justification
    of assumptions. Students should develop their individual writing styles.

    The implication of all of this for me is each of us, as faculty, have a
    responsibility to train ourselves to be competent in giving sound feedback
    to our students on the quality and correctness of the writing that students
    submit to us. Going even farther, we should be asking our students to submit
    written assignments as part of every course so that we can continue to
    develop those feedback skills and signal to our students the importance of
    developing their writing skills.

    Tom Hawk, Management Department, College of Business, Frostburg State
    University.


  • 13.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-26-2005 13:36
    Sorry, can I edit that last message just a bit.. :)

    so it reads..


    Hi all,

    I'd take passive voice in a paper anyday if I could somehow eliminate the meaningless and frustratingly repetitive "like" from students' spoken vocabularies.

    Bill Smith
    Towson Univ.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of Smith, William
    Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:34 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better
    than students in other disciplines


    Hi all,

    I'd take passive voice in a paper anyday if I could somehow eliminate the meaningless and frustratingly repetitive "like" "I from students' spoken vocabularies.

    Bill Smith
    Towson Univ.




    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU]On Behalf Of Gary Lundquist
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:05 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better
    than students in other disciplines


    Colleagues,

    Tom Hawk hit my button re the passive voice. Passive voice bothers me so
    much that I tend to pre-judge the content.
    One of my editors showed me how to avoid that problem. Eliminate use of
    the verb "to be." Of course, that isn't always possible, yet minimizing
    "is, are, can be, etc." works wonders. As a teaching tool, you can teach
    the concept in a few moments and promise to grade that way. It forces
    rethinking and, in my opinion, forces better thinking.

    Best,

    Gary

    PS: I'm publishing a newsletter on innovation.
    www.ColoradoInnovation.blogs.com. I'd appreciate reviews of my writing. To
    get on the mailing list, respond with "subscribe" in the subject line.


    Change agent skills
    are as important to individual success
    as are professional discipline skills.

    Gary Lundquist
    President - Market Engineering International
    www.Market-Engineering.com
    Chair - The Colorado Innovation Summit
    www.InnovationSummit.com
    303-840-9929 GaryL@Market-Engineering.com



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Hawk
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 10:21 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better than
    students in other disciplines


    I, too, have been drawn into this conversation and find it intriguing. The
    students in my two capstone MBA courses submit extensive written analyses of
    a case or the consulting project. 10% of the course grade comes from the
    spelling, grammatical, and organizational correctness, clarity, and
    integrity of their writing and language choices. I provide a feedback and
    evaluation rubric in the syllabus and extensive feedback on the places where
    they have errors in spelling, grammar, clarity, and organization. Even with
    that feedback on preliminary drafts during the semester, it is rare that I
    have a student who submits an error-free paper by the end of the semester.

    Many of my MBA students have never written a paper that is as long as the
    papers they submit in my courses. It takes multiple drafts and extensive
    feedback to allow them to see the patterns of their errors. Some do not even
    use the spell checker and grammar checker, nor do they proofread. It is my
    experience over a 33 year teaching career that the writing abilities of my
    students have deteriorated over the last 15 years.

    I agree with Rusty that qualifiers such as "I believe" and "I think" are
    appropriate and do give an indication of a student's learning style
    preferences. I also believe as a result of my extensive exploration of
    learning style models that there are other aspects of writing, particularly
    in graphical display, that are indications of learning style preferences.
    The VARK model and the Felder-Silverman model offer some indicators of that.

    My other comment - and I recognize it as a personal preference - focuses on
    the use of the passive voice. The passive voice is a very weak writing
    construction. Unfortunately, it is rampant in govermental writing. Passive
    voice sidesteps accountability. I always recommend to my students to use the
    first person active voice and take credit and accountability for the
    analyses and the recommendations they make. The active voice is a much
    stronger writing construction.

    Finally, I would like to advocate that each individual has a particular
    writing style. We should not be standardizing writing style but should
    insist on error free writing, writing that is clear, and writing that is
    well-reasoned and supported, including clear articulation and justification
    of assumptions. Students should develop their individual writing styles.

    The implication of all of this for me is each of us, as faculty, have a
    responsibility to train ourselves to be competent in giving sound feedback
    to our students on the quality and correctness of the writing that students
    submit to us. Going even farther, we should be asking our students to submit
    written assignments as part of every course so that we can continue to
    develop those feedback skills and signal to our students the importance of
    developing their writing skills.

    Tom Hawk, Management Department, College of Business, Frostburg State
    University.


  • 14.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-27-2005 10:07
    Gary,
    I encourage my students to use "I feel" only when they are talking about
    an actual feeling such as anger, sadness, joyfulness etc. I also
    encourage "I think" and "I believe" when the intent is to encourage
    interaction because I think that such language encourages further civil
    discussion and reflection.

    Over the past year I have become more clear that asking for electronic
    submission of papers and timely response using the "insert comment"
    feature is helpful for my students. I teach grad students in a one
    evening a week format. Each student does some short bit of writing each
    week. Classes are on Monday or Tuesday and I get them electronic
    feedback by Friday so that they have time to see my suggestions before
    they write the next short paper.

    I find that, if my actions support my words that I think clear writing
    is important, my students are willing to make the effort to improve. At
    the end of our masters program some students have reported (with a
    sense of amazement) that peers at work have asked my students to
    critique their project proposals. Something must be getting through.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Gary Lundquist [mailto:garyl@market-engineering.com]
    Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 12:49 PM
    Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better
    than students in other disciplines

    Charles,

    This listserv has gone quiet. Now you've opened a topic to which many
    can contribute.

    Clear, businesslike, parsimonious writing.

    To that, I'd add "bold." Let's dialog on clear, bold, businesslike,
    parsimonious writing.

    Personally, I do my best to avoid "must," "should," and similar
    directives.
    An editor of mine once complained that my "mustiness" made her teeth
    itch.

    So I'd revise the first sentence in your quote to:
    In writing, avoid hedge phrases such as "I feel".
    The "you should" is understood.

    I also found that pure directives were lazy writing on my part. I
    stated directives, then failed to justify my direction. Today I always
    try to connect suggested behaviors to reasons that justify those
    behaviors, in the same sentence. Thus:
    Hedge phrases such as "I feel" disqualify ideas in your writing,
    making them less compelling.

    I'd love to learn from others on this topic. Please share your ideas on
    how to achieve bold, businesslike, parsimonious writing.

    Best,

    Gary

    Gary Lundquist
    President - Market Engineering International Chair - The Colorado
    Innovation Summit
    303-840-9929 GaryL@Market-Engineering.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Wankel
    Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 3:12 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: It's our fault if business students do not write better than
    students in other disciplines


    As a management professor, I want business students to be known for
    their clear, businesslike, parsimonious writing. One step in that
    direction is to key them on roles of businesslike writing. One such
    rule might be sent as an email to the class or put on the course
    outline.

    Writing with businesslike parsimony
    In writing you should never use hedge phrases such as "I feel".
    These disqualify your ideas and make it less likely that readers will
    find them compelling. Readers will understand that "you believe, feel,
    think, etc." without you emphasizing that. It is actually "fat writing"
    in that such phrases just add words and length but not content to your
    text.
    Cf.: http://www.sba.muohio.edu/hwi/avoiddisclaimers.htm

    Keep up the great analysis!
    Best regards,
    Charles Wankel
    Mg-Ed-Dv List Director
    http://management-education.net/


  • 15.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-28-2005 23:54
    From: Warren Miller [mailto:wmiller@beckmill.com]

    Valued colleagues--

    As one who hires, and advises clients about hiring, financial professionals,
    and sometimes new college graduates, let me respectfully suggest that
    arguing whether business students do or don't write better than students in
    other disciplines is like arguing which is better, premeditated murder or
    negligent homicide.  You're arguing about your hair styles when your feet
    are on fire.

    The problem is not with the students' inability to write.  It is with their
    inability to think.  A non-thinker's writing sample is simply a signed
    confession of that fact.  You can give them all the technical writing
    suggestions in the world, and it won't help.  They can't think.  Until or
    unless they learn, this debate doesn't matter.  The solution to the problem
    should have occurred long before they got out of high school.  In fact, they
    shouldn't have been allowed to graduate from secondary school without being
    required to write, from scratch, a coherent paragraph on a subject given to
    them at a testing site.  

    Most would fail, of course.  That failure would open the can of worms about
    the rotten state of government education at the elementary and secondary
    levels generally.  No need to go there with this.  But those who can't think
    can't write.

    An example:  A client of ours hired an MBA graduate of one of Canada's
    finest business schools.  Besides having her graduate degree, she had
    several years' work experience and had passed the Chartered Financial
    Analyst exam, one of the most demanding professional credentialing regimens
    in existence.  She was smart, charming, and affable.  But she couldn't, and
    can't, write a lick.  If I owned her alma mater, I'd pay her a chunk of
    money every year not to tell a soul that she had somehow graduated from my
    institution.

    Another:  I hired a new graduate of one of Virginia's finest business
    schools.  He had a high GPA, put himself through school, and presented
    himself well.  We underwrote his efforts on the CPA exam; he passed all
    parts on the first try.  But he routinely says "could have went" and writes
    fragments as if there's no tomorrow.  The first time I offered him
    constructive criticism, he resisted, saying "Everyone says I'm the best
    writer they've seen."  I don't know the context in which "best" is used.  I
    do know that we're back to comparing murder-one and negligent homicide
    again.

    Warren Miller

    P.S.  Our employee is now a CPA. . .who can't do accounting.  That's another
    discussion.  But he's not alone.  I see it all the time.  So do our clients.
     Show me a CPA beneath the age of 27, and I'll bet I can show you someone
    who couldn't close a set of books if her/his life depended on it.  Shame on
    those accounting faculties.  Shame on them.

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  • 16.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-29-2005 00:07
    Colleagues,

    Warren Miller opens the topic of teaching people to think.

    First, society won't put up with it. (Let me say, American society) We
    function in our current form because so many people don't think.

    Second, if we could teach people to think, wouldn't that be treated as
    subversion? If our current society thrives on lack of thinking, then to
    develop thinkers would undermine our social institutions.

    Third, if we could get away with it, just how does one teach students how to
    think?

    Me, I'm ready for subversion. Though I don't teach in academia, I do my
    share of training. I'll join those willing to take the risk of teaching
    students to think. I just need pointers from the experts.

    Best to all,

    Gary

    --
    Change agent skills
    are as important to individual success
    as are professional discipline skills.

    Gary Lundquist
    303-840-9929 GaryL@Market-Engineering.com
    President - Market Engineering International
    www.Market-Engineering.com
    Editor - The Colorado Innovation Newsletter
    www.ColoradoInnovation.blogs.com


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Wankel
    Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:54 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better than
    students in other disciplines


    From: Warren Miller [mailto:wmiller@beckmill.com]

    Valued colleagues--

    As one who hires, and advises clients about hiring, financial professionals,
    and sometimes new college graduates, let me respectfully suggest that
    arguing whether business students do or don't write better than students in
    other disciplines is like arguing which is better, premeditated murder or
    negligent homicide.  You're arguing about your hair styles when your feet
    are on fire.

    The problem is not with the students' inability to write.  It is with their
    inability to think.  A non-thinker's writing sample is simply a signed
    confession of that fact.  You can give them all the technical writing
    suggestions in the world, and it won't help.  They can't think.  Until or
    unless they learn, this debate doesn't matter.  The solution to the problem
    should have occurred long before they got out of high school.  In fact, they
    shouldn't have been allowed to graduate from secondary school without being
    required to write, from scratch, a coherent paragraph on a subject given to
    them at a testing site.  

    Most would fail, of course.  That failure would open the can of worms about
    the rotten state of government education at the elementary and secondary
    levels generally.  No need to go there with this.  But those who can't think
    can't write.

    An example:  A client of ours hired an MBA graduate of one of Canada's
    finest business schools.  Besides having her graduate degree, she had
    several years' work experience and had passed the Chartered Financial
    Analyst exam, one of the most demanding professional credentialing regimens
    in existence.  She was smart, charming, and affable.  But she couldn't, and
    can't, write a lick.  If I owned her alma mater, I'd pay her a chunk of
    money every year not to tell a soul that she had somehow graduated from my
    institution.

    Another:  I hired a new graduate of one of Virginia's finest business
    schools.  He had a high GPA, put himself through school, and presented
    himself well.  We underwrote his efforts on the CPA exam; he passed all
    parts on the first try.  But he routinely says "could have went" and writes
    fragments as if there's no tomorrow.  The first time I offered him
    constructive criticism, he resisted, saying "Everyone says I'm the best
    writer they've seen."  I don't know the context in which "best" is used.  I
    do know that we're back to comparing murder-one and negligent homicide
    again.

    Warren Miller

    P.S.  Our employee is now a CPA. . .who can't do accounting.  That's another
    discussion.  But he's not alone.  I see it all the time.  So do our clients.
     Show me a CPA beneath the age of 27, and I'll bet I can show you someone
    who couldn't close a set of books if her/his life depended on it.  Shame on
    those accounting faculties.  Shame on them.

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  • 17.  Teaching to Think: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-29-2005 00:44
    A good place to start is:
    GUIDES TO STRAIGHT THINKING With 13 Common Fallacies
    Stuart Chase, 1956
    Harper & Row

    Rgds,
    Romie

    --- Gary Lundquist <garyl@market-engineering.com>
    wrote:

    > Colleagues,
    >
    > Warren Miller opens the topic of teaching people to
    > think.
    >
    > First, society won't put up with it. (Let me say,
    > American society) We
    > function in our current form because so many people
    > don't think.
    >
    > Second, if we could teach people to think, wouldn't
    > that be treated as
    > subversion? If our current society thrives on lack
    > of thinking, then to
    > develop thinkers would undermine our social
    > institutions.
    >
    > Third, if we could get away with it, just how does
    > one teach students how to
    > think?
    >
    > Me, I'm ready for subversion. Though I don't teach
    > in academia, I do my
    > share of training. I'll join those willing to take
    > the risk of teaching
    > students to think. I just need pointers from the
    > experts.
    >
    > Best to all,
    >
    > Gary
    >
    > --
    > Change agent skills
    > are as important to individual success
    > as are professional discipline skills.
    >
    > Gary Lundquist
    > 303-840-9929 GaryL@Market-Engineering.com
    > President - Market Engineering International
    > www.Market-Engineering.com
    > Editor - The Colorado Innovation Newsletter
    > www.ColoradoInnovation.blogs.com
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Management Education and Development
    > Discussion
    > [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of
    > Charles Wankel
    > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:54 PM
    > To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    > Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do
    > not write better than
    > students in other disciplines
    >
    >
    > From: Warren Miller [mailto:wmiller@beckmill.com]
    >
    > Valued colleagues--
    >
    > As one who hires, and advises clients about hiring,
    > financial professionals,
    > and sometimes new college graduates, let me
    > respectfully suggest that
    > arguing whether business students do or don't write
    > better than students in
    > other disciplines is like arguing which is better,
    > premeditated murder or
    > negligent homicide. You're arguing about your hair
    > styles when your feet
    > are on fire.
    >
    > The problem is not with the students' inability to
    > write. It is with their
    > inability to think. A non-thinker's writing sample
    > is simply a signed
    > confession of that fact. You can give them all the
    > technical writing
    > suggestions in the world, and it won't help. They
    > can't think. Until or
    > unless they learn, this debate doesn't matter. The
    > solution to the problem
    > should have occurred long before they got out of
    > high school. In fact, they
    > shouldn't have been allowed to graduate from
    > secondary school without being
    > required to write, from scratch, a coherent
    > paragraph on a subject given to
    > them at a testing site.
    >
    > Most would fail, of course. That failure would open
    > the can of worms about
    > the rotten state of government education at the
    > elementary and secondary
    > levels generally. No need to go there with this.
    > But those who can't think
    > can't write.
    >
    > An example: A client of ours hired an MBA graduate
    > of one of Canada's
    > finest business schools. Besides having her
    > graduate degree, she had
    > several years' work experience and had passed the
    > Chartered Financial
    > Analyst exam, one of the most demanding professional
    > credentialing regimens
    > in existence. She was smart, charming, and affable.
    > But she couldn't, and
    > can't, write a lick. If I owned her alma mater, I'd
    > pay her a chunk of
    > money every year not to tell a soul that she had
    > somehow graduated from my
    > institution.
    >
    > Another: I hired a new graduate of one of
    > Virginia's finest business
    > schools. He had a high GPA, put himself through
    > school, and presented
    > himself well. We underwrote his efforts on the CPA
    > exam; he passed all
    > parts on the first try. But he routinely says
    > "could have went" and writes
    > fragments as if there's no tomorrow. The first time
    > I offered him
    > constructive criticism, he resisted, saying
    > "Everyone says I'm the best
    > writer they've seen." I don't know the context in
    > which "best" is used. I
    > do know that we're back to comparing murder-one and
    > negligent homicide
    > again.
    >
    > Warren Miller
    >
    > P.S. Our employee is now a CPA. . .who can't do
    > accounting. That's another
    > discussion. But he's not alone. I see it all the
    > time. So do our clients.
    > Show me a CPA beneath the age of 27, and I'll bet I
    > can show you someone
    > who couldn't close a set of books if her/his life
    > depended on it. Shame on
    > those accounting faculties. Shame on them.
    >
    > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
    > * * * * * * * *
    > * Website: http://beckmill.com
    > *
    > * Warren D. Miller, MBA, CPA-ABV, CMA *
    > * Beckmill Research/Lexington, Va.
    > *
    > * Research Orientation, Results Mentality
    > *
    > * 540.463.6200 (v); 540.463.6208 (f)
    > *
    > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
    > * * * * * * * *
    >


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  • 18.  Teaching as a Subversive Activity

    Posted 07-29-2005 10:51
    Gary, et al

    In 1969, Neil Postman and Charles Weingartner published a book on this
    very topic - Teaching as a Subversive Activity. - using an inquiry method
    of teaching to prompt critical reflection.

    "The inquiry method is not designed to do better what older environments
    try to do. It works you over in entirely different ways. It activates
    different senses, attitudes, and perceptions; it generates a different,
    bolder, and more potent kind of intelligence. Thus, it will cause teachers
    and their tests, and their grading systems, and their curriculum to
    change. It will cause college admissions requirements to change. It will
    cause everything to change." (1969, p. 27)

    Not that it did in most cases. But some of us are still convinced that
    this will promote better learning and deeper understanding, which is the
    key to any other behavioural change IMHO. So, in terms of methodology, the
    use of open ended questioning and encouragement to be curious are the
    underpinnings of my subversive practise.

    PS Amazon.com has a deal on the current printing of the book
    Buy this book with The End of Education by Neil Postman today! $25.40

    with care and attention

    Alice Macpherson
    PD & PLA Coordinator
    Kwantlen University College
    www.kwantlen.ca/pdss
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    one's superiors; care for one's crews." - Admiral Grace Murray Hopper


  • 19.  Warren Miller: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-29-2005 00:40
    Hear! Hear!
    Romie
    http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19980304

    --- Charles Wankel <wankelc@optonline.net> wrote:

    > From: Warren Miller [mailto:wmiller@beckmill.com]
    >
    > Valued colleagues--
    >
    > As one who hires, and advises clients about hiring,
    > financial professionals,
    > and sometimes new college graduates, let me
    > respectfully suggest that
    > arguing whether business students do or don't write
    > better than students in
    > other disciplines is like arguing which is better,
    > premeditated murder or
    > negligent homicide. You're arguing about your hair
    > styles when your feet
    > are on fire.
    >
    > The problem is not with the students' inability to
    > write. It is with their
    > inability to think. A non-thinker's writing sample
    > is simply a signed
    > confession of that fact. You can give them all the
    > technical writing
    > suggestions in the world, and it won't help. They
    > can't think. Until or
    > unless they learn, this debate doesn't matter. The
    > solution to the problem
    > should have occurred long before they got out of
    > high school. In fact, they
    > shouldn't have been allowed to graduate from
    > secondary school without being
    > required to write, from scratch, a coherent
    > paragraph on a subject given to
    > them at a testing site.
    >
    > Most would fail, of course. That failure would open
    > the can of worms about
    > the rotten state of government education at the
    > elementary and secondary
    > levels generally. No need to go there with this.
    > But those who can't think
    > can't write.
    >
    > An example: A client of ours hired an MBA graduate
    > of one of Canada's
    > finest business schools. Besides having her
    > graduate degree, she had
    > several years' work experience and had passed the
    > Chartered Financial
    > Analyst exam, one of the most demanding professional
    > credentialing regimens
    > in existence. She was smart, charming, and affable.
    > But she couldn't, and
    > can't, write a lick. If I owned her alma mater, I'd
    > pay her a chunk of
    > money every year not to tell a soul that she had
    > somehow graduated from my
    > institution.
    >
    > Another: I hired a new graduate of one of
    > Virginia's finest business
    > schools. He had a high GPA, put himself through
    > school, and presented
    > himself well. We underwrote his efforts on the CPA
    > exam; he passed all
    > parts on the first try. But he routinely says
    > "could have went" and writes
    > fragments as if there's no tomorrow. The first time
    > I offered him
    > constructive criticism, he resisted, saying
    > "Everyone says I'm the best
    > writer they've seen." I don't know the context in
    > which "best" is used. I
    > do know that we're back to comparing murder-one and
    > negligent homicide
    > again.
    >
    > Warren Miller
    >
    > P.S. Our employee is now a CPA. . .who can't do
    > accounting. That's another
    > discussion. But he's not alone. I see it all the
    > time. So do our clients.
    > Show me a CPA beneath the age of 27, and I'll bet I
    > can show you someone
    > who couldn't close a set of books if her/his life
    > depended on it. Shame on
    > those accounting faculties. Shame on them.
    >
    > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
    > * * * * * * * *
    > * Website: http://beckmill.com
    > *
    > * Warren D. Miller, MBA, CPA-ABV, CMA *
    > * Beckmill Research/Lexington, Va.
    > *
    > * Research Orientation, Results Mentality
    > *
    > * 540.463.6200 (v); 540.463.6208 (f)
    > *
    > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
    > * * * * * * * *
    >


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  • 20.  Writing & Thinking

    Posted 07-29-2005 09:02
    I like Warren Miller's linking of writing to thinking and I do indeed
    believe there is a link. I'm quite convinced that someone who can't think
    probably can't produce much of anything worth reading. However, I'm not as
    convinced that a good thinker is necessarily also a good writer. But that's
    a different matter.

    Romie Littrell suggested one of Stuart Chase's books dating from 1956 and
    I've got a "golden oldie" too.

    One of my favorite books is "The Art of Practical Thinking" by Richard Weil,
    Jr., published in 1940 by Simon & Schuster. Obviously, it's out of print
    but, just as I did, you can obtain a copy via used and antiquarian book
    dealers, in particular, www.abebooks.com.

    I was so impressed by Weil's book that I wrote a reprise of chapter six -
    General Rules for Better Thinking - and published it. You can find a copy
    of that on my web site at the following link:

    http://home.att.net/~discon/six_rules.pdf

    Weil, by the way, was an executive, not a professor. He was president of
    Bamberger's, a large, well-known New Jersey department store that was later
    acquired by Macy's (where Weil had started his career in 1928).

    In any event, Weil's book is well worth reading and as relevant today as
    when he wrote it in 1940.

    Regards,

    Fred Nickols
    www.nickols.us
    nickols@att.net


    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-
    > DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Wankel
    > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:54 PM
    > To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    > Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better than
    > students in other disciplines
    >
    > From: Warren Miller [mailto:wmiller@beckmill.com]
    >
    > Valued colleagues--
    >
    > As one who hires, and advises clients about hiring, financial
    > professionals,
    > and sometimes new college graduates, let me respectfully suggest that
    > arguing whether business students do or don't write better than students
    > in
    > other disciplines is like arguing which is better, premeditated murder or
    > negligent homicide.  You're arguing about your hair styles when your feet
    > are on fire.
    >
    > The problem is not with the students' inability to write.  It is with
    > their
    > inability to think.  A non-thinker's writing sample is simply a signed
    > confession of that fact.  You can give them all the technical writing
    > suggestions in the world, and it won't help.  They can't think.  Until or
    > unless they learn, this debate doesn't matter.  The solution to the
    > problem
    > should have occurred long before they got out of high school.  In fact,
    > they
    > shouldn't have been allowed to graduate from secondary school without
    > being
    > required to write, from scratch, a coherent paragraph on a subject given
    > to
    > them at a testing site.
    >
    > Most would fail, of course.  That failure would open the can of worms
    > about
    > the rotten state of government education at the elementary and secondary
    > levels generally.  No need to go there with this.  But those who can't
    > think
    > can't write.
    >
    > An example:  A client of ours hired an MBA graduate of one of Canada's
    > finest business schools.  Besides having her graduate degree, she had
    > several years' work experience and had passed the Chartered Financial
    > Analyst exam, one of the most demanding professional credentialing
    > regimens
    > in existence.  She was smart, charming, and affable.  But she couldn't,
    > and
    > can't, write a lick.  If I owned her alma mater, I'd pay her a chunk of
    > money every year not to tell a soul that she had somehow graduated from my
    > institution.
    >
    > Another:  I hired a new graduate of one of Virginia's finest business
    > schools.  He had a high GPA, put himself through school, and presented
    > himself well.  We underwrote his efforts on the CPA exam; he passed all
    > parts on the first try.  But he routinely says "could have went" and
    > writes
    > fragments as if there's no tomorrow.  The first time I offered him
    > constructive criticism, he resisted, saying "Everyone says I'm the best
    > writer they've seen."  I don't know the context in which "best" is used.
    >  I
    > do know that we're back to comparing murder-one and negligent homicide
    > again.
    >
    > Warren Miller
    >
    > P.S.  Our employee is now a CPA. . .who can't do accounting.  That's
    > another
    > discussion.  But he's not alone.  I see it all the time.  So do our
    > clients.
    >  Show me a CPA beneath the age of 27, and I'll bet I can show you someone
    > who couldn't close a set of books if her/his life depended on it.  Shame
    > on
    > those accounting faculties.  Shame on them.
    >
    > *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *
    >  *
    > *                 Website:  http://beckmill.com                 *
    > *       Warren D. Miller, MBA, CPA-ABV, CMA       *
    > *            Beckmill Research/Lexington, Va.            *
    > *       Research Orientation, Results Mentality      *
    > *             540.463.6200 (v);  540.463.6208 (f)             *
    > *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *
    >  *


  • 21.  Linear thinking: Re: Writing & Thinking

    Posted 07-30-2005 04:31
    Fred Nickols' interesting reference, " 'The Art of
    Practical Thinking' by Richard Weil, Jr., published in
    1940 by Simon & Schuster" is a good treatise in
    mono-chronic, linear Western-style thinking. I do not
    function that way, but it gives some good ideas for
    linear documentation of processes for us polychronic,
    compulsive multi-tasking, large backlog of
    work-in-progress, immediately switch from a foreground
    task to a background w-i-p task when new useful
    information is stumbled upon people. The older I get
    the more I need to document my multi-tasking, and the
    more frequently I forget to.

    Some might call this behaviour "lack of focus"; focus
    is overrated. It can be boring and non-productive, and
    happens naturally when the available data and process
    flow are matched. If the data isn't available, why
    focus on one problem.

    Regards,
    Romie

    --- Fred Nickols <nickols@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

    > I like Warren Miller's linking of writing to
    > thinking and I do indeed
    > believe there is a link. I'm quite convinced that
    > someone who can't think
    > probably can't produce much of anything worth
    > reading. However, I'm not as
    > convinced that a good thinker is necessarily also a
    > good writer. But that's
    > a different matter.
    >
    > Romie Littrell suggested one of Stuart Chase's books
    > dating from 1956 and
    > I've got a "golden oldie" too.
    >
    > One of my favorite books is "The Art of Practical
    > Thinking" by Richard Weil,
    > Jr., published in 1940 by Simon & Schuster.
    > Obviously, it's out of print
    > but, just as I did, you can obtain a copy via used
    > and antiquarian book
    > dealers, in particular, www.abebooks.com.
    >
    > I was so impressed by Weil's book that I wrote a
    > reprise of chapter six -
    > General Rules for Better Thinking - and published
    > it. You can find a copy
    > of that on my web site at the following link:
    >
    > http://home.att.net/~discon/six_rules.pdf
    >
    > Weil, by the way, was an executive, not a professor.
    > He was president of
    > Bamberger's, a large, well-known New Jersey
    > department store that was later
    > acquired by Macy's (where Weil had started his
    > career in 1928).
    >
    > In any event, Weil's book is well worth reading and
    > as relevant today as
    > when he wrote it in 1940.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Fred Nickols
    > www.nickols.us
    > nickols@att.net
    >
    >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: Management Education and Development
    > Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-
    > > DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles
    > Wankel
    > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:54 PM
    > > To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    > > Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students
    > do not write better than
    > > students in other disciplines
    > >
    > > From: Warren Miller [mailto:wmiller@beckmill.com]
    > >
    > > Valued colleagues--
    > >
    > > As one who hires, and advises clients about
    > hiring, financial
    > > professionals,
    > > and sometimes new college graduates, let me
    > respectfully suggest that
    > > arguing whether business students do or don't
    > write better than students
    > > in
    > > other disciplines is like arguing which is better,
    > premeditated murder or
    > > negligent homicide. You're arguing about your
    > hair styles when your feet
    > > are on fire.
    > >
    > > The problem is not with the students' inability to
    > write. It is with
    > > their
    > > inability to think. A non-thinker's writing
    > sample is simply a signed
    > > confession of that fact. You can give them all
    > the technical writing
    > > suggestions in the world, and it won't help. They
    > can't think. Until or
    > > unless they learn, this debate doesn't matter.
    > The solution to the
    > > problem
    > > should have occurred long before they got out of
    > high school. In fact,
    > > they
    > > shouldn't have been allowed to graduate from
    > secondary school without
    > > being
    > > required to write, from scratch, a coherent
    > paragraph on a subject given
    > > to
    > > them at a testing site.
    > >
    > > Most would fail, of course. That failure would
    > open the can of worms
    > > about
    > > the rotten state of government education at the
    > elementary and secondary
    > > levels generally. No need to go there with this.
    > But those who can't
    > > think
    > > can't write.
    > >
    > > An example: A client of ours hired an MBA
    > graduate of one of Canada's
    > > finest business schools. Besides having her
    > graduate degree, she had
    > > several years' work experience and had passed the
    > Chartered Financial
    > > Analyst exam, one of the most demanding
    > professional credentialing
    > > regimens
    > > in existence. She was smart, charming, and
    > affable. But she couldn't,
    > > and
    > > can't, write a lick. If I owned her alma mater,
    > I'd pay her a chunk of
    > > money every year not to tell a soul that she had
    > somehow graduated from my
    > > institution.
    > >
    > > Another: I hired a new graduate of one of
    > Virginia's finest business
    > > schools. He had a high GPA, put himself through
    > school, and presented
    > > himself well. We underwrote his efforts on the
    > CPA exam; he passed all
    > > parts on the first try. But he routinely says
    > "could have went" and
    > > writes
    > > fragments as if there's no tomorrow. The first
    > time I offered him
    > > constructive criticism, he resisted, saying
    > "Everyone says I'm the best
    > > writer they've seen." I don't know the context in
    > which "best" is used.
    > > I
    > > do know that we're back to comparing murder-one
    > and negligent homicide
    > > again.
    > >
    > > Warren Miller
    > >
    > > P.S. Our employee is now a CPA. . .who can't do
    > accounting. That's
    > > another
    > > discussion. But he's not alone. I see it all the
    > time. So do our
    > > clients.
    > > Show me a CPA beneath the age of 27, and I'll bet
    > I can show you someone
    > > who couldn't close a set of books if her/his life
    > depended on it. Shame
    > > on
    > > those accounting faculties. Shame on them.
    > >
    > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
    > * * * * * * * *
    > > *
    > > * Website: http://beckmill.com
    > *
    > > * Warren D. Miller, MBA, CPA-ABV, CMA
    > *
    > > * Beckmill Research/Lexington, Va.
    > *
    > > * Research Orientation, Results Mentality
    > *
    > > * 540.463.6200 (v); 540.463.6208 (f)
    > *
    > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
    > * * * * * * * *
    > > *
    >

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  • 22.  Linear thinking: Writing & Thinking

    Posted 07-30-2005 09:14
    Regarding Romie Littrell's closing comment from her recent post...

    > If the data isn't available, why focus on one problem.

    The same notion of data and information availability on a cross-problem
    basis applies within an effort to solve a single problem, hence the notion
    of problem solving as a "cover the bases" activity instead of one that has
    you trot 'round them in 1-2-3 order.

    As I wrote in "Reengineering the Problem Solving Process" published back in
    1994:

    "Rather than follow a narrowly defined sequential procedure, the search for
    solutions should proceed along many fronts at once, taking advantage of the
    available information and working on what can be worked on at the time."

    http://home.att.net/~OPSINC/reengineering.pdf

    In short, couldn't agree more, Romie.

    Regards,

    Fred Nickols
    nickols@att.net
    www.nickols.us


  • 23.  Linear thinking: Writing & Thinking

    Posted 07-30-2005 16:34
    Good Fred. Was just reading last evening, "An
    intelligent person is one with whom you agree."

    However, from another old book by Dwite Batteau,1966,
    �Stupidtheorems�, to paraphrase, "You rarely learn
    much from someone you agree with, but you get a lot of
    work done. You don't get much done working with
    someone with whom you disagree, but you can learn a
    lot."

    Another reference on linear thinking, e.g., in
    English:
    Systems Thinking as a Language, by Michael Goodman,
    The Systems Thinker�, Volume 2, Number 3: "Language
    has a subtle, yet powerful effect on the way we view
    the world. English, like most other Western languages,
    is linear �- its basic sentence construction,
    noun-verb-noun, translates into a worldview of "x
    causes y." This linearity predisposes us to focus on
    one-way relationships rather than circular or mutually
    causative ones, where x influences y, and y in turn
    influences x. Unfortunately, many of the most vexing
    problems confronting managers and corporations today
    are caused by a web of tightly interconnected circular
    relationships. To enhance our understanding and
    communication of such problems, we need a language
    more naturally suited to the task."


    --- Fred Nickols <nickols@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

    > Regarding Romie Littrell's closing comment from her
    > recent post...
    >
    > > If the data isn't available, why focus on one
    > problem.
    >
    > The same notion of data and information availability
    > on a cross-problem
    > basis applies within an effort to solve a single
    > problem, hence the notion
    > of problem solving as a "cover the bases" activity
    > instead of one that has
    > you trot 'round them in 1-2-3 order.
    >
    > As I wrote in "Reengineering the Problem Solving
    > Process" published back in
    > 1994:
    >
    > "Rather than follow a narrowly defined sequential
    > procedure, the search for
    > solutions should proceed along many fronts at once,
    > taking advantage of the
    > available information and working on what can be
    > worked on at the time."
    >
    > http://home.att.net/~OPSINC/reengineering.pdf
    >
    > In short, couldn't agree more, Romie.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Fred Nickols
    > nickols@att.net
    > www.nickols.us
    >

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  • 24.  It's our fault if business students do not write better than students in other disciplines

    Posted 07-29-2005 11:38
    Colleagues,

    I went searching for a reference Romie Littrell had shared.

    The second spot in my Google Search was
    http://www.buildfreedom.com/stupidity/abolish_stupidity.html

    I bring it up because this article (or rant) comes with a substantial
    reading list and a marvelous suite of quotes on the "stupidity" of humans.

    Personally, I think the author misses the point. It isn't a matter of
    stupidity or intelligence. It's a matter of believing instead of thinking.

    Best to all,

    Gary

    --
    Change agent skills
    are as important to individual success
    as are professional discipline skills.

    Gary Lundquist
    303-840-9929 GaryL@Market-Engineering.com
    President - Market Engineering International
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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion
    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Wankel
    Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:54 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    Subject: Re: It's our fault if business students do not write better than
    students in other disciplines


    From: Warren Miller [mailto:wmiller@beckmill.com]

    Valued colleagues--

    As one who hires, and advises clients about hiring, financial professionals,
    and sometimes new college graduates, let me respectfully suggest that
    arguing whether business students do or don't write better than students in
    other disciplines is like arguing which is better, premeditated murder or
    negligent homicide.  You're arguing about your hair styles when your feet
    are on fire.

    The problem is not with the students' inability to write.  It is with their
    inability to think.  A non-thinker's writing sample is simply a signed
    confession of that fact.  You can give them all the technical writing
    suggestions in the world, and it won't help.  They can't think.  Until or
    unless they learn, this debate doesn't matter.  The solution to the problem
    should have occurred long before they got out of high school.  In fact, they
    shouldn't have been allowed to graduate from secondary school without being
    required to write, from scratch, a coherent paragraph on a subject given to
    them at a testing site.  

    Most would fail, of course.  That failure would open the can of worms about
    the rotten state of government education at the elementary and secondary
    levels generally.  No need to go there with this.  But those who can't think
    can't write.

    An example:  A client of ours hired an MBA graduate of one of Canada's
    finest business schools.  Besides having her graduate degree, she had
    several years' work experience and had passed the Chartered Financial
    Analyst exam, one of the most demanding professional credentialing regimens
    in existence.  She was smart, charming, and affable.  But she couldn't, and
    can't, write a lick.  If I owned her alma mater, I'd pay her a chunk of
    money every year not to tell a soul that she had somehow graduated from my
    institution.

    Another:  I hired a new graduate of one of Virginia's finest business
    schools.  He had a high GPA, put himself through school, and presented
    himself well.  We underwrote his efforts on the CPA exam; he passed all
    parts on the first try.  But he routinely says "could have went" and writes
    fragments as if there's no tomorrow.  The first time I offered him
    constructive criticism, he resisted, saying "Everyone says I'm the best
    writer they've seen."  I don't know the context in which "best" is used.  I
    do know that we're back to comparing murder-one and negligent homicide
    again.

    Warren Miller

    P.S.  Our employee is now a CPA. . .who can't do accounting.  That's another
    discussion.  But he's not alone.  I see it all the time.  So do our clients.
     Show me a CPA beneath the age of 27, and I'll bet I can show you someone
    who couldn't close a set of books if her/his life depended on it.  Shame on
    those accounting faculties.  Shame on them.

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