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  • 1.  It's our fault if business students do not write better

    Posted 07-24-2005 14:37
    From: P.G.Morgan@Bradford.ac.uk [mailto:P.G.Morgan@Bradford.ac.uk]

    Totally agree with the comments on this. However, I am minded of three
    issues:

    1) Dyslexia - this takes many forms and is not only about spelling &
    grammar,
    but also about structuring work and so on. Presents a real challenge to
    ensure
    that we are not discriminating against dyslexic students;

    2) Overseas students & staff - who should, without doubt, be judged on the
    same
    criteria as their English speaking colleagues, but this presents a challenge
    to
    overseas staff whose English is not always as good as that of a native
    English
    speaker.

    3) Numbers - not sure how many students folk have, but the more students one
    has
    (I have around 170+ in each of my 3 courses), the more difficult it is to
    take
    time to give detailed comment on grammar. I am convinced of the value of so
    doing, but prioritising according to School values means some things get
    second
    place... Now, if there was computer software to do so...?

    Any thoughts? Solutions?

    Peter Morgan PhD, MEd
    Senior University Teacher
    School of Management,
    University of Bradford, UK

    Tel: +44 1274 234391
    Fax: +44 1274 546866
    E-mail: p.g.morgan@bradford.ac.uk


  • 2.  It's our fault if business students do not write better

    Posted 07-25-2005 08:09
    This thread prompts a potpourri of comments related to writing and
    management...

    First off, I got a chuckle out of comments bemoaning students' writing that
    contained these jewels: "peak" was used in lieu of "peek" and "If there
    was..." was used in lieu of "If there were..." Maybe we ought to clean up
    our own act first.

    Second, I was reminded of an incident at a large telecommunications firm in
    which an exhaustive task analysis was conducted of its first and
    second-level managers. One of its findings was that "they" (the first and
    second-level managers couldn't write acceptably). So, millions were spent
    on training them how to write. A follow-up study revealed that matters were
    now worse. I was asked to look into the situation to see if I could
    determine where matters had gone awry. I first ascertained how it had been
    determined that the line managers could not write acceptably and it turned
    out that the line managers' superiors had rendered that judgment. It also
    turned out that these same managers viewed their subordinates' writing
    abilities as worse after the training. I then looked into the occasions on
    which the senior managers would have reason to look at and evaluate their
    subordinates' writing. That, it turned out, was quite simple: the line
    managers would often have to prepare reports and memos for their bosses to
    sign. The senior managers all had stylistic and idiosyncratic preferences
    as to what they would and wouldn't put their names on. So, instead of
    advising the line managers to do the obvious - go to the files and examine
    written materials their bosses had signed off on (and rejected) so as to get
    a feel for what the boss did and didn't like - a lot of money was spent
    "training" them to write better. My point here is be careful about what
    kind of standards you impose.

    Third, I was doing a general assessment of an operating division at a client
    organization when the unit's general manager asked me to look into what he
    viewed as the intransigent behavior of his direct reports. He said he had
    been trying to get them to focus on new clients and new business, on
    revenue, and instead they focused on costs and cost-cutting. He wanted to
    know why. So, I went to his secretary and asked her to give me copies of
    all the memos he had signed and sent out during the past six months. She
    objected and went to her boss who was puzzled by the request but told her to
    give me what I'd asked for. I then did a crude content analysis, which is
    to say, I skimmed through six months' of memos to see what he had been
    talking about. Guess what? He was focusing on costs and cost-cutting, not
    revenue. In meetings, he talked about new clients and new revenue; in his
    memos, he wrote about costs and cost cutting. Here's a rule for you: In
    business, the written word trumps the spoken word every time. The corollary
    is be darn careful what you put in writing, no matter how well it's written.

    Fourth and last, here's something else to consider. Someone, and I don't
    recall who, once said that the difference between a good writer and a poor
    writer is a good editor. To be sure, as someone has already pointed out, it
    helps if you go back over what you have written and edit it to the extent
    you can. But you can't do as good a job of editing your own material as a
    good editor can. So, in addition to encouraging students to edit what they
    have written (which really amounts to a review), encourage them to have
    others read and comment before they submit their papers. Oops! That's
    probably going to run afoul of some academic practice, isn't it? Oh well,
    so much for improving students' writing.

    Regards,

    Fred Nickols
    www.nickols.us
    nickols@att.net