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In December of 1983, I was a speaker at the last HR bash held by
pre-divestiture "Ma Bell." Also speaking was a professor who had published
an article in HBR in which he compared the executive cadre of the modern
corporation to feudal royalty and the corporation itself to a monarchy.
I've long since forgotten the fellow's name and the title of the article but
I'd sure like to locate a copy. HBR online only goes back to 1995. Does
anyone have access to an index of HBR articles before 1995? Better yet,
does anyone else recall the article in question?

Regards,

Fred Nickols
"Assistance at A Distance"
nickols@att.net
www.nickols.us

"Constructive Criticism is an Oxymoron"

I'm sure HBR can find it for you

I've already sent a request to them.

Regards,

Fred Nickols
www.nickols.us
nickols@att.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-
> DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of CMorrissey@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:23 PM
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> Subject: Re: Help finding an HBR article
>
> I'm sure HBR can find it for you

Fred
I also have access through the St. John's e-library to the HBR back
to 1922. Perhaps I can connect to the tables of the contents there, let you
connect to my computer using GoToMyPC and have you browse titles for the
time period you believe this article to be in.
Another idea would be to ask the librarian at the university you
heard this person in 1983 whether the university newspapers or bulletins
from that time have any mention of this occasion with the name of the
author.
Cybercollegially,
Charles Wankel

-----Original Message-----
From: Management Education and Development Discussion
[mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Fred Nickols
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:27 PM
To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
Subject: Re: Help finding an HBR article

I've already sent a request to them.

Regards,

Fred Nickols
www.nickols.us
nickols@att.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-
> DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of CMorrissey@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:23 PM
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> Subject: Re: Help finding an HBR article
>
> I'm sure HBR can find it for you

Thanks for the offer, Charlie, it's much appreciated, but I'm not ready to
put anyone through that kind of hassle just yet.

Regards,

Fred Nickols
www.nickols.us
nickols@att.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-
> DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Wankel
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 3:03 AM
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> Subject: Re: Help finding an HBR article
>
> Fred
> I also have access through the St. John's e-library to the HBR back
> to 1922. Perhaps I can connect to the tables of the contents there, let
> you
> connect to my computer using GoToMyPC and have you browse titles for the
> time period you believe this article to be in.
> Another idea would be to ask the librarian at the university you
> heard this person in 1983 whether the university newspapers or bulletins
> from that time have any mention of this occasion with the name of the
> author.
> Cybercollegially,
> Charles Wankel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Management Education and Development Discussion
> [mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Fred Nickols
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:27 PM
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> Subject: Re: Help finding an HBR article
>
> I've already sent a request to them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Fred Nickols
> www.nickols.us
> nickols@att.net
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-
> > DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of CMorrissey@aol.com
> > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:23 PM
> > To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Help finding an HBR article
> >
> > I'm sure HBR can find it for you

What I would use is Google Scholar,
http://scholar.google.com
which allows you to use the Google search argument
system for a pretty comprehensive database of pubs.

HBS Publishing puts out a number of paper and online
periodicals as well as the HBR.

Rgds,
Romie

--- Fred Nickols <nickols@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> In December of 1983, I was a speaker at the last HR
> bash held by
> pre-divestiture "Ma Bell." Also speaking was a
> professor who had published
> an article in HBR in which he compared the executive
> cadre of the modern
> corporation to feudal royalty and the corporation
> itself to a monarchy.
> I've long since forgotten the fellow's name and the
> title of the article but
> I'd sure like to locate a copy. HBR online only
> goes back to 1995. Does
> anyone have access to an index of HBR articles
> before 1995? Better yet,
> does anyone else recall the article in question?
>
> Regards,
>
> Fred Nickols
> "Assistance at A Distance"
> nickols@att.net
> www.nickols.us
>
> "Constructive Criticism is an Oxymoron"
>


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Fred, if you can get to the EBSCO database, they have
the HBR since 1922.
Romie

--- Fred Nickols <nickols@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> In December of 1983, I was a speaker at the last HR
> bash held by
> pre-divestiture "Ma Bell." Also speaking was a
> professor who had published
> an article in HBR in which he compared the executive
> cadre of the modern
> corporation to feudal royalty and the corporation
> itself to a monarchy.
> I've long since forgotten the fellow's name and the
> title of the article but
> I'd sure like to locate a copy. HBR online only
> goes back to 1995. Does
> anyone have access to an index of HBR articles
> before 1995? Better yet,
> does anyone else recall the article in question?
>
> Regards,
>
> Fred Nickols
> "Assistance at A Distance"
> nickols@att.net
> www.nickols.us
>
> "Constructive Criticism is an Oxymoron"
>


PARTICIPATE in a study of leadership & values:
hppt://www.leadershipvalues.homestead.com/
"Who dare to teach must never cease to learn."-John Cotton Dana
Romie F. Littrell, PhD, An f�na� fi�in
Faculty of Business, Auckland University of Technology, N.Z.
http://www.romielittrellpubs.homestead.com/
http://www.crossculturalcentre.homestead.com/



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From: Silvia Salas [mailto:ssala004@fiu.edu]

Hello,

I ran a quick search and the only time that "feudal" comes up in HBR is in
this article. Let me know if this is what you are looking for.


The Feudal World of Japanese Manufacturing
Sakai, Kuniyasu. Harvard Business Review. Boston: Nov/Dec 1990.Vol.68, Iss.
6; pg. 38, 8 pgs

Abstract (Document Summary)
At a time when Japan accounts for 15% of the global economy and Japanese
executives are studying US and European industry, it appears foolish for
Western executives to have such a tenuous understanding of their Japanese
trading partners. Japan's giant industrial combines are more like "trading
companies" - coordinating a complex design and manufacturing process that
involves thousands of smaller companies. Small to medium-size companies make
up more than 99% of Japanese industry and are the real foundation of the
Japanese economy. When a subcontractor accepts the first contract, it gives
up its freedom and is told what to make and how much it will get for it. The
big keiretsu, or industrial groups, that acquire smaller companies consider
them "family" and expect loyalty no matter what the sacrifice. Centuries
ago, Japan was divided into small feudal fiefdoms called han; each han was
under the control of one person, the daimyo. The modern corporate han are no
different: vertical hierarchy is the hard and fast rule.


Cheers,
Silvia Salas,
Florida International University

-----Original Message-----
From: Management Education and Development Discussion
[mailto:MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Fred Nickols
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:20 PM
To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
Subject: Help finding an HBR article

In December of 1983, I was a speaker at the last HR bash held by
pre-divestiture "Ma Bell." Also speaking was a professor who had published
an article in HBR in which he compared the executive cadre of the modern
corporation to feudal royalty and the corporation itself to a monarchy.
I've long since forgotten the fellow's name and the title of the article but
I'd sure like to locate a copy. HBR online only goes back to 1995. Does
anyone have access to an index of HBR articles before 1995? Better yet,
does anyone else recall the article in question?

Regards,

Fred Nickols
"Assistance at A Distance"
nickols@att.net
www.nickols.us

"Constructive Criticism is an Oxymoron"

From: Greg Brown [mailto:gbrown@loxinfo.co.th]

Fred,
I was unable to find a match in ebscohost. My guess is the mystery speaker
was Larry Greiner. The subject matter is vaguely related to his HBR
article..

Evolution and revolution as organizations grow. By: Greiner, Larry E..
Harvard Business Review, Jul/Aug72, Vol. 50 Issue 4, p37, 10p; (AN 3866992)

Regards,
Greg Brown
Bangkok, Thailand

----- Original Message -----
From: "Romie Littrell" <littrellaom@yahoo.co.nz>
To: <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: Help finding an HBR article


> Fred, if you can get to the EBSCO database, they have
> the HBR since 1922.
> Romie
>
> --- Fred Nickols <nickols@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > In December of 1983, I was a speaker at the last HR
> > bash held by
> > pre-divestiture "Ma Bell." Also speaking was a
> > professor who had published
> > an article in HBR in which he compared the executive
> > cadre of the modern
> > corporation to feudal royalty and the corporation
> > itself to a monarchy.
> > I've long since forgotten the fellow's name and the
> > title of the article but
> > I'd sure like to locate a copy. HBR online only
> > goes back to 1995. Does
> > anyone have access to an index of HBR articles
> > before 1995? Better yet,
> > does anyone else recall the article in question?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Fred Nickols
> > "Assistance at A Distance"
> > nickols@att.net
> > www.nickols.us
> >
> > "Constructive Criticism is an Oxymoron"
> >
>
>
> PARTICIPATE in a study of leadership & values:
> hppt://www.leadershipvalues.homestead.com/
> "Who dare to teach must never cease to learn."-John Cotton Dana
> Romie F. Littrell, PhD, An fánaí fiáin
> Faculty of Business, Auckland University of Technology, N.Z.
> http://www.romielittrellpubs.homestead.com/
> http://www.crossculturalcentre.homestead.com/
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday
> snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
>

Many thanks to all who are helping me locate a dimly recalled article. I've
posed the query to HBR and hope to hear from them before too long. I'll
also check out the article below - although, to be honest, Larry Greiner is
a big name in my book and I'm sure I would recall if it were he who made the
presentation in question. On the other hand, advancing years does strange
things to one's memory...

Regards,

Fred Nickols
www.nickols.us
nickols@att.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-
> DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Wankel
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:25 AM
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> Subject: Re: Help finding an HBR article
>
> From: Greg Brown [mailto:gbrown@loxinfo.co.th]
>
> Fred,
> I was unable to find a match in ebscohost. My guess is the mystery speaker
> was Larry Greiner. The subject matter is vaguely related to his HBR
> article..
>
> Evolution and revolution as organizations grow. By: Greiner, Larry E..
> Harvard Business Review, Jul/Aug72, Vol. 50 Issue 4, p37, 10p; (AN
> 3866992)
>
> Regards,
> Greg Brown
> Bangkok, Thailand
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Romie Littrell" <littrellaom@yahoo.co.nz>
> To: <MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:22 AM
> Subject: Re: Help finding an HBR article
>
>
> > Fred, if you can get to the EBSCO database, they have
> > the HBR since 1922.
> > Romie
> >
> > --- Fred Nickols <nickols@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > > In December of 1983, I was a speaker at the last HR
> > > bash held by
> > > pre-divestiture "Ma Bell." Also speaking was a
> > > professor who had published
> > > an article in HBR in which he compared the executive
> > > cadre of the modern
> > > corporation to feudal royalty and the corporation
> > > itself to a monarchy.
> > > I've long since forgotten the fellow's name and the
> > > title of the article but
> > > I'd sure like to locate a copy. HBR online only
> > > goes back to 1995. Does
> > > anyone have access to an index of HBR articles
> > > before 1995? Better yet,
> > > does anyone else recall the article in question?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Fred Nickols
> > > "Assistance at A Distance"
> > > nickols@att.net
> > > www.nickols.us
> > >
> > > "Constructive Criticism is an Oxymoron"
> > >
> >
> >
> > PARTICIPATE in a study of leadership & values:
> > hppt://www.leadershipvalues.homestead.com/
> > "Who dare to teach must never cease to learn."-John Cotton Dana
> > Romie F. Littrell, PhD, An fánaí fiáin
> > Faculty of Business, Auckland University of Technology, N.Z.
> > http://www.romielittrellpubs.homestead.com/
> > http://www.crossculturalcentre.homestead.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > ___________________________________________________________
> > How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday
> > snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com
> >

Thanks to all who tried helping me find an HBR article. I'm very happy to
report that I've identified it. It's still available as an HBR reprint and
I've downloaded a .pdf copy. It is even better than I remembered and it is
just as relevant today as it was 22 years ago when it was published.

The article is "Moral Mazes: Bureaucracy and Managerial Work" by Robert
Jackall. It appeared in the September-October issue of HBR in 1983. Its
reprint number is 83507. It is about ethics in organizations and if you
haven't read it, I highly recommend it.

So far as I'm able to determine, Jackall is currently a professor of
sociology and public affairs at Williams College, where he was when he wrote
the article in question. That article led to a 1988 book with a similar
title: Moral Mazes: The World of Corporate Managers.

Anyway, thanks again to those who tried to help. Your thoughtfulness and
consideration is much appreciated.

P.S. My recollection of the monarchy and feudal content was off the mark;
Jackal uses those analogs only once in referring to division presidents as
barons and the conglomerate CEO as king. The issue, of course, was fealty.

Regards,

Fred Nickols
www.nickols.us
nickols@att.net

Hi Fred, it sounds like an interesting and relevant paper for my own work. Would
you mind sending on the location details for obtaining the .pdf? Thanks.
Wendy

Quoting Fred Nickols <nickols@worldnet.att.net>:

> Thanks to all who tried helping me find an HBR article. I'm very happy to
> report that I've identified it. It's still available as an HBR reprint and
> I've downloaded a .pdf copy. It is even better than I remembered and it is
> just as relevant today as it was 22 years ago when it was published.
>
> The article is "Moral Mazes: Bureaucracy and Managerial Work" by Robert
> Jackall. It appeared in the September-October issue of HBR in 1983. Its
> reprint number is 83507. It is about ethics in organizations and if you
> haven't read it, I highly recommend it.
>
> So far as I'm able to determine, Jackall is currently a professor of
> sociology and public affairs at Williams College, where he was when he wrote
> the article in question. That article led to a 1988 book with a similar
> title: Moral Mazes: The World of Corporate Managers.
>
> Anyway, thanks again to those who tried to help. Your thoughtfulness and
> consideration is much appreciated.
>
> P.S. My recollection of the monarchy and feudal content was off the mark;
> Jackal uses those analogs only once in referring to division presidents as
> barons and the conglomerate CEO as king. The issue, of course, was fealty.
>
> Regards,
>
> Fred Nickols
> www.nickols.us
> nickols@att.net
>

Wendy:

Just go to the Harvard Business Review's web site and you can purchase and
download the article there.

Regards,

Fred Nickols
www.nickols.us
nickols@att.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-
> DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU] On Behalf Of Wendy Gregory
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:22 AM
> To: MG-ED-DV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
> Subject: Re: Help finding an HBR article
>
> Hi Fred, it sounds like an interesting and relevant paper for my own work.
> Would
> you mind sending on the location details for obtaining the .pdf? Thanks.
> Wendy

I found a free version of an article of the same title through my
library from the McKinsey Quarterly of Spring 1984

I don't know what material differences their might be.

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