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  • 1.  A new beginning must be preceeded by an end.

    Posted 10-03-2005 00:13
    Gary,
    At the risk of seeming argumentive I have elected to use the embedded
    response form. I hope it makes sense to you.
    Jack
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    From: "Gary Lear" <discuss@rds-net.com>
    To: <MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU>
    Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 4:49 PM
    [...]
    > regarding employees having a relationship with their managers, I whole
    > heartily agree that they should. But this relationship should be one of
    > partner
    > and coach, not overseer and judge.

    [jr] Accordingly, should be funded by employee, not by employer.

    > Western thought believes that managers
    > should tell employees how to behave and what to do, and then judge them on
    > how
    > well they followed orders.

    [jr] Such generalizations could be debated ad naseum.

    > My belief is that you select people who fit with
    > your organization culturally;

    [jr] Please tell me how the organization and its culture appeared in the
    first place. Seems to be some magical thinking going on here.

    > insure that they understand their purpose and
    > roles; that they have the knowledge and skills to carry out that purpose;
    > and
    > the support systems to accomplish it.
    [jr] So does 'western management.'

    > To me, this means that managers should have a different role. From the
    > Principle of Non-Interference we learn that no one has the right to tell
    > someone
    > else how to live their life.
    [jr] To me this means that managers are not needed.

    > So the roles that I envision a manager having is
    > that of helping employees to make emotional connections to the
    > organization's
    > overall Purpose, Values, and Goals, and to become a teacher and a coach by
    > helping the employee develop their strengths.
    [jr] But your concept says that all that was confirmed when they were hired.

    > This is quite different from the
    > roles that most managers tend to think that they should be doing.
    [jr] How many do you claim to represent?

    > Neither of these roles that I propose requires the manager to tell an
    > employee
    > how to do their job or to judge them on how well they did it. That should
    > be
    > done though pre-determined and agreed upon objective and measurable goals
    [jr] pre-determined by who and agreed upon how? Does this include stretch
    goals and BHAG's?

    > that
    > an employee can track for themselves as close to real-time as possible.
    > There
    > is no discrepancy about the attainment of these goals; either they
    > achieved
    > them, surpassed them, or fell short of them. And some of these goals
    > might not
    > even be solely individual, but rather team and organizational, as well.

    > So this now leaves a manager free to help keep the employee excited about
    > the
    > Purpose of the organization and the Purpose of their own roles, as well as
    > helping to keep them focused on the Values and the Goals needed to achieve
    > that
    > Purpose.
    [jr] But wait, didn't we confirm, before hiring, that they had the
    competence to keep themselves excited? Why do they need a manager to do
    that with them?

    > It also allows them to be free to help the employee perform at their
    > best though coaching and teaching. Asking the employee questions and
    > helping
    > them to learn lessons on their own should be the main approach, following
    > the
    > Principle of Non-Interference. Only in those times when an employee has
    > asked
    > for explicit judgment or instructions should it be given.

    [jr] How many teenagers have you raised?

    >
    > Now in regard to continuing to look back to performance from the distant
    > past,
    > either good or bad, to me is to waste too much energy when we should be
    > focused
    > on the future. Part of the Rule of Acceptance talks about this. "The
    > past is
    > the past, let it be." Yes, the past does have a hand in making us who we
    > are.
    > We learn lessons from the past, and we learn how to apply those lessons to
    > the
    > future. But to sit down on an annual basis and dredge up this past only
    > creates
    > unbalance and disharmony.
    [jr] If that is what you envision being done then I suspect you are right.
    But I envision celebrating (reinforcing) the learning of lessons from the
    past and the applying them to the future. Further, I envision this being
    done not just between manager and employee but also among employees.

    >
    > A much better approach would be to focus on the future and the goals you
    > want to
    > accomplish. Looking to the past is not going to help you set these goals
    > nor
    > obtain them.
    [jr] Au contrare. As is well known a single event can be interpreted a
    number of ways by various observers. David Snowden, www.cynefin.com calls
    this multi-ontology sense making. Before looking at goals for the future it
    is prudent to affirm that the manager and employee have coherent views of
    the present, thus the past.

    > Yes, I do believe in having major meetings on an annual basis. We
    > need this time to set new paths and create new connections to Purpose and
    > Goals,
    > and to create a NEW mindset about achieving them.

    [jr] New? How can something be NEW except in relation to the past?

    > The Medicine Wheel teaches us that all things happen in cycles. Spring,
    > Summer,
    > Fall, and Winter; and when the Spring comes again it is a time of renewal.
    > It
    > is a time to look forward, not backwards to the hard winter. It is a time
    > to
    > make plans for the future. It is a time of hope and excitement.
    >
    > Yes, let's celebrate at this time; but not about the things of the past,
    > but
    > about the hopes and dreams for the future. In regard to celebrating
    > successes,
    > those should be celebrated as they occur, not at some time in the future
    > where
    > the meaning gets lost.

    [jr] Ahhhh, there it is. The reason for recurrent celebration is to ensure
    the meaning doesn't get lost.

    > Furthermore, celebration should not be limited to just
    > the employee and the manager, but for the entire team. Everyone should
    > join in
    > to help someone celebrate an achievement, and everyone should be helping
    > to
    > encourage each other every day.
    >
    > One final thought from the Rule of Acceptance: "The Rule of Acceptance
    > teaches
    > us about the importance of listening and opening up our spirits by giving
    > away
    > the need to control or change other people, the need to control things, or
    > the
    > need to control situations. These things remove us from the harmony and
    > balance
    > of the Circle, and just make life difficult when it does not have to be."

    [jr] Then perhaps you might try less controlling of 'western management'
    >
    > Modern management practices tries to have managers control their employees
    > instead of work WITH them to help the organization accomplish great
    > things.
    [jr] How many do you represent?

    > This is why so often we have management pitted against employees. This is
    > why
    > we seem to have a huge amount of unengaged and disengaged employees at
    > work.

    [jr] Or maybe what we see is employees pitted against management because
    employees want a free ride and don't get it.

    > Management is too focused on controlling their employees, holding up the
    > past as
    > a club, and trying to protect itself from its employees from lawsuits.
    > Imagine
    > just how much more could be accomplished if this "control" was laid aside
    > and
    > management actually worked WITH employees to make the organization great?
    [jr] I don't have to imagine it. I have experienced it. And I have come to
    believe that most managers try to right by the employees. I do see a
    different behavior at the executive level, however.

    > (c) 2005 permission denied to use this post in any other forum or in any
    > way
    > other than on the discussion list that it was originally posted.

    [jr] NOTE: The copyright notice immediately above applies only to lines
    preceded by a '>' All the sentences preceeded by '[jr]' may be used by
    anyone. The author has no need to control your usage of them.


  • 2.  A new beginning must be preceeded by an end.

    Posted 10-04-2005 15:47
    Jack,

    Actually, replying by inserting comments within a post does come across as
    argumentative. It makes it appear that a responder is more intent on
    discrediting bits and pieces of a post rather than to take the time to
    understand the poster's intent as shared in the entire post. Often this
    approach is filled with one-line zingers and dubious references to non-topic
    issues, such as raising children when we are discussing grown adults in the
    workplace.

    I've found that to try to carry on a discussion with those who choose to use
    this method to carry on a discourse with me is often futile, and very
    frustrating for me. In the end, no one benefits from the dialog, least of which
    is our fellow listmates.

    But I do hope you Make a Great Day!

    Gary Lear, President & CEO

    Resource Development Systems LLC
    Managing the Human Side of Business (sm)

    www.ResourceDevelopmentSystems.com

    (c) 2005 permission denied to use this post in any other forum or in any way
    other than on the discussion list that it was originally posted.


  • 3.  A new beginning must be preceeded by an end.

    Posted 10-04-2005 17:35
    Gary,
    So be it.
    If a poster relies on the reader to understand the poster's intent then not
    much new is going to transpire, anyway.
    Sorry you perceived the embedded assertions and questions as argumentative.
    I hope they did not diminish your day.
    cheers,
    Jack Ring
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Gary Lear" <discuss@rds-net.com>
    To: <MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU>
    Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 12:46 PM
    Subject: Re: A new beginning must be preceeded by an end.


    > Jack,
    >
    > Actually, replying by inserting comments within a post does come across as
    > argumentative. It makes it appear that a responder is more intent on
    > discrediting bits and pieces of a post rather than to take the time to
    > understand the poster's intent as shared in the entire post. Often this
    > approach is filled with one-line zingers and dubious references to
    > non-topic
    > issues, such as raising children when we are discussing grown adults in
    > the
    > workplace.
    >
    > I've found that to try to carry on a discussion with those who choose to
    > use
    > this method to carry on a discourse with me is often futile, and very
    > frustrating for me. In the end, no one benefits from the dialog, least of
    > which
    > is our fellow listmates.
    >
    > But I do hope you Make a Great Day!
    >
    > Gary Lear, President & CEO
    >
    > Resource Development Systems LLC
    > Managing the Human Side of Business (sm)
    >
    > www.ResourceDevelopmentSystems.com
    >
    > (c) 2005 permission denied to use this post in any other forum or in any
    > way
    > other than on the discussion list that it was originally posted.
    >
    >