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  • 1.  Textbooks in Plain English

    Posted 04-05-2009 21:55
    Can anyone give me references to work undertaken on textbook writing style?
    I'm particularly interested in how Non-Native English Speakers cope with this material and application of Flesch Readability scales (or similar scales).
     
    Do any publishers provide plain English texts for NNES students?
     
    Terence Egan
     


    Terence R. Egan
    Associate Professor

    Business School

    Central University of Finance and Economics
    Beijing, PR China



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  • 2.  Textbooks in Plain English

    Posted 04-06-2009 10:49
    And who will be able to _write_ those 'plain English' texts? :)
    Certainly not the writers of the non-plain English texts that aren't
    satisfactory (at least to you) now.

    I suspect the deeper problem is that communicating a technical
    subject (textbook or otherwise) requires a certain set of words &
    concepts. We would like to believe that an author is also concerned
    with communication to people of a certain language level -- in fact,
    preferably somewhat lower level than the author thinks they are
    aiming at. This writing/communication in itself may require a
    different understanding & insight than the specialty of the subject.

    IMHO, the problem of writing & communication to others is not only
    that of reaching the NNES, but of reaching many/most students. We
    need the non-'plain English' words to deal with the technical
    topics. Not everyone has lived with them daily for years, like most
    instructors have done. Have all the 5+ syllable and Latinate words
    been defined at first use? Are the definitions easily available for
    referral, as in a glossary? Most important, are the words used
    consistently to the definitions? throughout the text?

    I don't care if you are speaking to introductory students or graduate
    degree holders. I don't care if you are discussing bainite
    precipitation in alloy steel (a key issue in the development of
    strength & toughness of certain steels), or the organizational
    development steps to engender the team camaraderie required for a
    'highly effective' problem solving team. Some of the recipients of
    our wisdom have a different understanding of the words we use than
    others; some of the recipients may have _no_ understanding of the
    words. How we communicate that such a condition of ignorance implies
    personal failure, or that ignorance equals incomplete experience that
    we are gathered to change, has a great deal to do with our success.

    And success is what each of us wants, true?

    Enough soap box for one day.

    Jay
    On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Terence Egan wrote:

    > Can anyone give me references to work undertaken on textbook
    > writing style?
    > I'm particularly interested in how Non-Native English Speakers cope
    > with this material and application of Flesch Readability scales (or
    > similar scales).
    >
    > Do any publishers provide plain English texts for NNES students?
    >
    > Terence Egan
    >
    >
    >
    > Terence R. Egan
    > Associate Professor
    >
    > Business School
    >
    > Central University of Finance and Economics
    > Beijing, PR China
    >
    >
    > The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer,
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  • 3.  Textbooks in Plain English

    Posted 04-06-2009 14:35
    On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Terence Egan wrote: Can anyone give me
    references to work undertaken on textbook writing style?

    Stop presuming textbooks and think Learning Objects then see
    http://cmap.ihmc.us
    http://www.enge.vt.edu/pdf%20files/NAE%20Summit%20Poster%20Ricky%20Castles.pdf
    http://www.slideshare.net/geoffcain/concept-maps-cain?type=powerpoint

    OBTW, relieves High Cost of Textbooks pains, as well.

    Onward,
    Jack Ring


  • 4.  Textbooks in Plain English

    Posted 04-06-2009 22:18
    Who cares? Well ... I do, for one.
    I'm afraid I haven't made myself clear. We need a set of English language textbooks specifically for second language learners.
    My initial thumb through the literature on the topic suggests that many native English speaking students would also appreciate some focus on this issue.
    I felt certain that this would already have been addressed thoroughly on behalf of second language learner.
     
    Terence Egan 
     



    From: Jay Warner at AT_T <jay.warner3@SBCGLOBAL.NET>

    I don't care if you are speaking to introductory students or graduate degree holders.  I don't care if you are discussing bainite precipitation in alloy steel (a key issue in the development of strength & toughness of certain steels), or the organizational development steps to engender the team camaraderie required for a 'highly effective' problem solving team.  Some of the recipients of our wisdom have a different understanding of the words we use than others; some of the recipients may have _no_ understanding of the words.  How we communicate that such a condition of ignorance implies personal failure, or that ignorance equals incomplete experience that we are gathered to change, has a great deal to do with our success.

    Jay
     
    On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Terence Egan wrote:

    > Can anyone give me references to work undertaken on textbook writing style?
    > I'm particularly interested in how Non-Native English Speakers cope with this material and application of Flesch Readability scales (or similar scales).
    >
    > Do any publishers provide plain English texts for NNES students?
    >
    > Terence Egan
    >
    >
    >
    > Terence R. Egan
    > Associate Professor
    >
    > Business School
    >
    > Central University of Finance and Economics
    > Beijing, PR China
    >
    >
    > The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. Get it now..

    Jay Warner
    Principal Scientist
    Warner Consulting, Inc.
    4444 North Green Bay Road
    Racine, WI 53404-1216
    USA

    Ph:      262.634.9100
    FAX:    262.681.1133
    email:  quality@a2q.com
    Temporary:  jay.warner3@sbcglobal.net

    web:    www.a2q.com

    The A2Q Method (tm) -- What do you want to improve today?


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  • 5.  Textbooks in Plain English

    Posted 04-06-2009 22:42
    Quite right Jack.
    Thanks for the urls.
     
    Terence

     


    Terence R. Egan
    Associate Professor

    Business School

    Central University of Finance and Economics
    Beijing, PR China




    From: Jack Ring <jring@AMUG.ORG>
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Sent: Tuesday, 7 April, 2009 2:34:54 AM
    Subject: Re: [MG-ED-DV] Textbooks in Plain English

    On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Terence Egan wrote: Can anyone give me references to work undertaken on textbook  writing style?

    Stop presuming textbooks and think Learning Objects then see
    http://cmap.ihmc.us
    http://www.enge.vt.edu/pdf%20files/NAE%20Summit%20Poster%20Ricky%20Castles.pdf
    http://www.slideshare.net/geoffcain/concept-maps-cain?type=powerpoint

    OBTW, relieves High Cost of Textbooks pains, as well.

    Onward,
    Jack Ring


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  • 6.  Textbooks in Plain English

    Posted 04-07-2009 01:55
    Here is a glimpse of tomorrow.
     
    Hardware and knowledgeware technologies are progressing to the point that dual language texts can be produced by machine. c.f., http://dev.read.fm/#finder:goback:1 
    in which sentences in English are reflected in Spanish.  Look at the paragraphs then click on one and see the mirroring.
     
    Recently a new six-year old enrolled in www.starshineacademy. She was reading at sixth grade level and within three months was reading at 9th grade level. When her mother came in for a meeting a 3.5 year old brother came along. He went directly to the reading table in the middle of the room, picked up a book and started reading out lound. It turns out that these aree poverty-stricken parents who made it only through the eighth grade. They have no books at home. But they do have a television. The kids watch closed caption programs much of the day. Bingo. And the comprehension is quite good as well. 
     
    All of this suggests that textbooks may not be the better resources in a modern learning environment.  Immersion by digital may be the better strategy.
     
    Jack Ring
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 7:18 PM
    Subject: Re: Textbooks in Plain English

    Who cares? Well ... I do, for one.
    I'm afraid I haven't made myself clear. We need a set of English language textbooks specifically for second language learners.
    My initial thumb through the literature on the topic suggests that many native English speaking students would also appreciate some focus on this issue.
    I felt certain that this would already have been addressed thoroughly on behalf of second language learner.
     
    Terence Egan 
     



    From: Jay Warner at AT_T <jay.warner3@SBCGLOBAL.NET>

    I don't care if you are speaking to introductory students or graduate degree holders.  I don't care if you are discussing bainite precipitation in alloy steel (a key issue in the development of strength & toughness of certain steels), or the organizational development steps to engender the team camaraderie required for a 'highly effective' problem solving team.  Some of the recipients of our wisdom have a different understanding of the words we use than others; some of the recipients may have _no_ understanding of the words.  How we communicate that such a condition of ignorance implies personal failure, or that ignorance equals incomplete experience that we are gathered to change, has a great deal to do with our success.

    Jay
     
    On Apr 5, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Terence Egan wrote:

    > Can anyone give me references to work undertaken on textbook writing style?
    > I'm particularly interested in how Non-Native English Speakers cope with this material and application of Flesch Readability scales (or similar scales).
    >
    > Do any publishers provide plain English texts for NNES students?
    >
    > Terence Egan
    >
    >
    >
    > Terence R. Egan
    > Associate Professor
    >
    > Business School
    >
    > Central University of Finance and Economics
    > Beijing, PR China
    >
    >
    > The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. Get it now..

    Jay Warner
    Principal Scientist
    Warner Consulting, Inc.
    4444 North Green Bay Road
    Racine, WI 53404-1216
    USA

    Ph:      262.634.9100
    FAX:    262.681.1133
    email:  quality@a2q.com
    Temporary:  jay.warner3@sbcglobal.net

    web:    www.a2q.com

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