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  • 1.  The values discussion

    Posted 04-08-2009 20:09
    This discussion of values is absolutely fascinating. Are there any
    universal human values? There are some drives, instincts probably (e.g.
    Driven by Nitin Nohria and Paul Lawrence), and I agree with Ellen's
    desire to identify some universal human values. Before even we get to
    the question of universal human rights (the Roosevelt 1947 UN
    declaration notwithstanding). I'm also thinking of Dawkins' memes,
    Brodie's Virus of the Mind, etc. Here are some candidates for universal
    human values--or I'd rather call them VABEs (values assumptions beliefs
    and expectations about the way the world is or should be):

    I have a right to reproduce
    I'm right and you're wrong
    As a parent I know what's right for my child
    I have a right, nee sacred responsibility, to TELL my child
    what's right for him (Glasser)
    I have a right to punish my child if he/she doesn't do what I
    say
    Wealth is power.
    Wealthy powerful people get the best ... (property, mates,
    opportunities)
    My way is better than your way (speaking, standing, timing,
    hygienics, eating, etc.)
    My beliefs are more important than data (Thomas Kuhn)


    I invite other candidates...

    And perhaps soon we can discuss whether there are any universal human
    rights. It seems that nature does not grant any. Only cultures--based
    on VABEs. Culture is a set of shared VABEs. Hofstede begins with a short
    list... then we can add tons of details about speech, dress, right and
    wrong, and on and on. Hence as I said before, I believe (e-prime
    language from Ellis), that we need to distinguish between ethics
    (groups), legalities, morals (personal) and culture. I think it's the
    interplay between them that makes for insights about how to do business
    in one place or another. I'm imagining what Ellen's learned by living
    in Bulgaria all these years. I was in Cairo for one week and was very
    annoyed that I had to pay to pee in the national museum and that the
    guards there said no pictures--unless you pay me. Bakshish. Here so
    unacceptable, there so "normal."

    Respectfully,

    Jim
    James G. S. Clawson
    Johnson & Higgins Professor of Business Administration
    Darden GSB, University of Virginia
    Box 6550, Charlottesville, VA 22906
    100 Darden Boulevard, Charlottesville, VA 22903 USA
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    Web: http://faculty.darden.virginia.edu/clawsonj

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    Subject: my two cents on values

    In the cross-cultural lit one definition of (national) deeply held
    values
    are values that are so ingrained in the culture that a person would be
    puzzled or angry if asked about that value. I've been trying to find
    such
    values, especially something universal. The closest I have come to the
    latter is a quote from JFK: "We all cherish our children's futures."
    In
    Bulgaria students, colleagues and friends agree that a key value is
    "family
    above everything, followed by friends; no one else counts." Bulgaria is

    pretty much homogeneous. I am far too humble to begin to find a value
    for
    Americans, although I would like to say one of our values is "all men
    and
    women are equal, at least before the law." For me, there is often a
    connection between values and ethics, but not always. I agree with
    Carolyn
    that values are internal. I consider myself to be pretty ethical, but 11

    years into my stay in a corrupt country I finally found myself paying a
    bribe to get something to which I was legally entitled. I felt
    terrible.

    Ellen


    Prof. Ellen Greenberg
    Sofia University "Kliment Ohridski"
    Sofia, Bulgaria


  • 2.  The values discussion

    Posted 04-09-2009 09:32
    -------------- Original message ----------------------
    From: "Clawson, Jim" <ClawsonJ@DARDEN.VIRGINIA.EDU>
    >
    > This discussion of values is absolutely fascinating. Are there any
    > universal human values?

    I believe Professor Harold Lasswell put together just such a list. It contains eight universal human values:

    Power
    Wealth
    Respect
    Well Being
    Rectitude
    Skill
    Enlightenment
    Affection



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  • 3.  The values discussion

    Posted 04-09-2009 10:17
    In a message dated 4/9/2009 8:37:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, nickols@att.net writes:

    I believe Professor Harold Lasswell put together just such a list.  It contains eight universal human values:

    Power
    Wealth
    Respect
    Well Being
    Rectitude
    Skill
    Enlightenment
    Affection
    Where is Health, Family, Service, religion, and many more Harry?
     
    I prefer my Neo-Maslow's list as I described before.
     
    George Graen
     

     
     


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  • 4.  The values discussion

    Posted 04-09-2009 10:29
    Schwartz came up with a similar List; (Cf.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_value)

    Schwartz's ten types of universal value are: power, achievement, hedonism,
    stimulation, self-direction, universalism, benevolence, tradition,
    conformity, and security. Below are each of the value types, with the
    specific related values alongside:

    Power: authority; leadership; dominance
    Achievement: success; capability; ambition; influence; intelligence;
    self-respect
    Hedonism: pleasure; enjoying life
    Stimulation: daring activities; varied life; exciting life
    Self-direction: creativity; freedom; independence; curiosity; choosing your
    own goals
    Universalism: broadmindedness; wisdom; social justice; equality; a world at
    peace; a world of beauty; unity with nature; protecting the environment;
    inner harmony
    Benevolence: helpfulness; honesty; forgiveness; loyalty; responsibility;
    friendship
    Tradition: accepting one's portion in life; humility; devoutness; respect
    for tradition; moderation
    Conformity: self-discipline; obedience
    Security: cleanliness; family security; national security; stability of
    social order; reciprocation of favours; health; sense of belonging
    Schwartz also tested an eleventh possible universal value, 'spirituality',
    or 'the goal of finding meaning in life', but found that it does not seem to
    be recognised in all cultures.[


    Best,
    Michael

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    >
    > -------------- Original message ----------------------
    > From: "Clawson, Jim" <ClawsonJ@DARDEN.VIRGINIA.EDU>
    >>
    >> This discussion of values is absolutely fascinating. Are there any
    >> universal human values?
    >
    > I believe Professor Harold Lasswell put together just such a list. It
    > contains eight universal human values:
    >
    > Power
    > Wealth
    > Respect
    > Well Being
    > Rectitude
    > Skill
    > Enlightenment
    > Affection
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > Regards,
    >
    > Fred Nickols
    > Managing Partner
    > Distance Consulting, LLC
    > nickols@att.net
    > www.nickols.us
    >
    > "Assistance at A Distance"


  • 5.  The values discussion

    Posted 04-09-2009 11:15
    Earlier, I posted Lasswell's eight value categories:

    > Power
    > Wealth
    > Respect
    > Well Being
    > Rectitude
    > Skill
    > Enlightenment
    > Affection

    To which George Graen responded:

    > Where is Health, Family, Service, religion, and many more Harry?

    Well, I think health falls under well being. Family fits easily under affection. Service could fit under a couple of Lasswell's categories. Religion is far from a universal value so I won't attempt to fit it into Lasswell's categories. As for "many more" that's too vague.

    > I prefer my Neo-Maslow's list as I described before.

    Good for you, George. I'm glad you're comfortable with your list. I'm comfortable with Lasswell's categories.


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    Fred Nickols
    Managing Partner
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  • 6.  The values discussion

    Posted 04-09-2009 11:33
    Fred,

    If you call "universal" something everybody accepts at any point in time, religion may not be there; hardly anything will be there (for example, wealth does not rank high for me). But for me, "universal values" are values that every people not brainwashed by modern civilization have been found to adopt throughout known history. Religion is indeed a universal value in that sense. We could even say that the value remains even when its practical application has swerved towards a different direction. Everybody worships something: if not God, then they worship science, or sex, or beauty, or money, or football. What is religion but the reverent submission of a human person to something or someone considered worthy of receiving one's total self-giving?

    Chantal Epie
    Associate Professor
    Lagos Business School
    Pan-African University
    www.lbs.edu.ng


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    Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:15 PM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: The values discussion

    Earlier, I posted Lasswell's eight value categories:

    > Power
    > Wealth
    > Respect
    > Well Being
    > Rectitude
    > Skill
    > Enlightenment
    > Affection

    To which George Graen responded:

    > Where is Health, Family, Service, religion, and many more Harry?

    Well, I think health falls under well being. Family fits easily under affection. Service could fit under a couple of Lasswell's categories. Religion is far from a universal value so I won't attempt to fit it into Lasswell's categories. As for "many more" that's too vague.

    > I prefer my Neo-Maslow's list as I described before.

    Good for you, George. I'm glad you're comfortable with your list. I'm comfortable with Lasswell's categories.


    --
    Regards,

    Fred Nickols
    Managing Partner
    Distance Consulting, LLC
    nickols@att.net
    www.nickols.us

    "Assistance at A Distance"


  • 7.  The values discussion

    Posted 04-09-2009 11:42
    Regarding, "I'm right, and you're wrong," and the exchange below, I rest
    my case.

    Jim
    James G. S. Clawson
    Johnson & Higgins Professor of Business Administration
    Darden GSB, University of Virginia
    Mail: Box 6550 Charlottesville, VA 22906
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    -----Original Message-----
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    [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of nickols@att.net
    Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:15 AM
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: Re: The values discussion

    Earlier, I posted Lasswell's eight value categories:

    > Power
    > Wealth
    > Respect
    > Well Being
    > Rectitude
    > Skill
    > Enlightenment
    > Affection

    To which George Graen responded:

    > Where is Health, Family, Service, religion, and many more Harry?

    Well, I think health falls under well being. Family fits easily under
    affection. Service could fit under a couple of Lasswell's categories.
    Religion is far from a universal value so I won't attempt to fit it into
    Lasswell's categories. As for "many more" that's too vague.

    > I prefer my Neo-Maslow's list as I described before.

    Good for you, George. I'm glad you're comfortable with your list. I'm
    comfortable with Lasswell's categories.


    --
    Regards,

    Fred Nickols
    Managing Partner
    Distance Consulting, LLC
    nickols@att.net
    www.nickols.us

    "Assistance at A Distance"


  • 8.  The values discussion

    Posted 04-09-2009 15:54
    In a message dated 4/9/2009 11:50:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ClawsonJ@DARDEN.VIRGINIA.EDU writes:
    Regarding, "I'm right, and you're wrong," and the exchange below, I rest
    my case.

       Jim
    James
    It's not a question of right and wrong, but how useful we find each theory.
     
    Be careful where you rest in you minefield.
     
    George


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  • 9.  The values discussion

    Posted 04-09-2009 17:59
    Dialogue is the better way to navigate a 'mine' field.
     
    Thank you, George, this will be very useful
     
    Jack 


  • 10.  The values discussion

    Posted 04-09-2009 18:41

    From: Bill Ferris [mailto:bferris@wnec.edu]

     

    It's not really about universal as "something that everybody accepts at any point in time."  I would consider a universal value that which all societies accept as genuinely valuable, worthy of seeking, pursuing, or providing. The views of individuals, social outcasts or outliers do not count in this assessment. The test is at the society level rather than the individual level. For example, a linguistic universal would be common to all languages. All languages utilize predications on nominals.An ethical universal would have to be accepted by all societies as well. So wanton murder is condemned by all societies. When it comes to ethical rules, there are some exceptions that themselves have rules. So folks can count capital punishment as an exception, for example, or hurting others in self-defense because these acts constitute desperate measures needed to keep the society alive.  In the end, though, there are darn few universals. As to religion, I'd say you'd have to define what counts as a religion very carefully and I would want to hear what the anthropologists report but it seems that a significant part of our modern society does not value much religious (remember the death of God stories in the popular press and several notable books on the subject?) in the general American way of defining that term. I think that pretty much all societies value financial well-being where that means having money or things that allow you to live in decent health. We have passed laws in an effort to allow members who do not have it at a minimal level to be given access to state support. Most all societies believe in doing what they can to provide a minimum level of health to as many society members as they can, even if some societies have taken or still take a utilitarian approach that allows them to consider themselves moral in leaving the least physically privileged among us on mountain tops or islands or in the jungle to die for fear that trying to support them might take down the whole society.

    Best,
    Bill

    William P. Ferris, Ph.D.

    Professor of Management

    School of Business

    Western New England College

    1215 Wilbraham Road

    Springfield, MA 01119

     

    Tel: 413-782-1629

    Fax: 413-796-2068

     

     



    Chantal Epie wrote:

    Fred,
     
    If you call "universal" something everybody accepts at any point in time, religion may not be there; hardly anything will be there (for example, wealth does not rank high for me). But for me, "universal values" are values that every people not brainwashed by modern civilization have been found to adopt throughout known history. Religion is indeed a universal value in that sense. We could even say that the value remains even when its practical application has swerved towards a different direction. Everybody worships something: if not God, then they worship science, or sex, or beauty, or money, or football. What is religion but the reverent submission of a human person to something or someone considered worthy of receiving one's total self-giving?
     
    Chantal Epie
    Associate Professor
    Lagos Business School
    Pan-African University
    www.lbs.edu.ng
     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] On Behalf Of nickols@att.net
     
    Earlier, I posted Lasswell's eight value categories:
     
      
    Power
    Wealth
    Respect
    Well Being
    Rectitude
    Skill
    Enlightenment
    Affection
        
     
    To which George Graen responded:
     
      
    Where is Health, Family, Service, religion, and many more Harry?
        
     
    Well, I think health falls under well being. Family fits easily under affection.  Service could fit under a couple of Lasswell's categories.  Religion is far from a universal value so I won't attempt to fit it into Lasswell's categories.  As for "many more" that's too vague.
     
      
    I prefer my Neo-Maslow's list as I described before.
        
     
    Good for you, George.  I'm glad you're comfortable with your list.  I'm comfortable with Lasswell's categories.
     
     
    --
    Regards,
     
    Fred Nickols
    Managing Partner
    Distance Consulting, LLC
    nickols@att.net
    www.nickols.us
     
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