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The crisis - ethics or competence?

  • 1.  The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Posted 04-09-2009 07:18

    This very useful debate on ethics and values [thanks everyone for this] seems to make a big assumption – that unethical behaviour was the main reason for the crisis, so with more ethical standards it would have been avoided or substantially reduced. But apart from a few egregious examples, it is not clear that most senior execs were deliberately doing things for their own gain that they knew to be against the interests of investors, employees or customers.

     

    An alternative view is that executives were mostly doing things they thought - but incorrectly - to be in the best interests of their organizations and their customers [as well as themselves].  This hypothesis is supported by the endless positive assessments of corporate prospects by analysts and other well-informed commentators, right up to the moment things went wrong. Surely all those hundreds and thousands of executives could not have hidden dishonest or deceitful behaviour from the outside world for so long?

     

    If they were not being dishonest or unethical, then, were they in fact being insufficiently competent in the strategic management of their organizations. Government grilling of banking executives, for example, has shown that CEOs were doing things that were widely regarded as skilful, even super-clever, that neither they nor most others realised were dumb until after the event. And the banks were not alone in managing themselves into crisis, or at least into serious trouble – we now have car makers, airlines, ship-building, commercial real-estate, retailers and hundreds of other sectors in difficulties they could and should have foreseen and guarded against.

     

    I had reason to reflect on whether senior management have been sufficiently competent in managing strategic performance in recent years, and whether they need better tools for the job, in presentations at business schools in Argentina and Brazil over the last 2 weeks, a 60-min. screen-cast of which you can find at http://www.strategydynamics.com/strategy-lessons.

     

    Kim Warren: London Business School

     

     



  • 2.  The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Posted 04-09-2009 12:04
    Kim,

    You add a whole different perspective to the whole discussion.  Reminds me of how I used to assure my suspicious friend about the bosses in his company who he felt were treating employees badly:  "Don't worry.  I don't think they're malicious.  They just don't know what the heck they're doing." 

    Seriously, I think you make an important point.   Executives may pursue a wrong-headed strategy completely in good faith.  I just hope that top execs acting in bad faith (read: reckless greed) and their lawyers won't use it too often to hide behind the "business judgment rule".   I think that an executive who pursues a risky strategy (including the use of complex financially engineered products) still has the ethical duty to study the downside (a point you make very well in your screen-cast lecture) and to reasonably inform and protect the investors and the vulnerable (e.g., customers, community, etc.).  Not to do so would be both incompetent and unethical.  In other words, there is such a thing as "ethical competence".

    An important implication of your point which is relevant to business educators is to ask:  How many of the unsound strategies are also taught in business schools?  How many of these strategies are also ethically problematic, if examined critically?  In addition to derivatives which companies have gone into without top management fully understanding them, the reengineering craze of the early 90s pops to my mind, with millions of jobs vaporized worldwide.  Even some applications of Porter's 5 forces framework makes me squeamish -- why should a company take advantage of the weak bargaining power of buyers?  Isn't that anti-competitive behavior which got Microsoft in trouble?  By the way, the example you cite in your screen cast about a company influencing medical opinion leaders in order to get patients to switch to a new medical device could raise some ethical flags in our country if the company is not careful -- a case where ethics AND competence are required.

    PS. Thanks for generously sharing the screen-cast link.  Will be sure to refer it to my strategy colleagues.  I've been advocating simulations and system dynamics (I use iThink) for a while and your lecture will help my case.  We have Strategic Management Dynamics in our library.

    Regards,

    Ben
     
     
    -------------------------------
    Benito L. Teehankee, DBA
    Sen. Benigno S. Aquino Jr. associate professor in business and governance
    Ramon V. del Rosario Sr. Graduate School of Business
    De La Salle University
    Manila, Philippines
    Office: +632-5234295



    From: Kim Warren <Kim@STRATEGYDYNAMICS.COM>
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 7:17:46 PM
    Subject: The crisis - ethics or competence?

    This very useful debate on ethics and values [thanks everyone for this] seems to make a big assumption – that unethical behaviour was the main reason for the crisis, so with more ethical standards it would have been avoided or substantially reduced. But apart from a few egregious examples, it is not clear that most senior execs were deliberately doing things for their own gain that they knew to be against the interests of investors, employees or customers.

     

    An alternative view is that executives were mostly doing things they thought - but incorrectly - to be in the best interests of their organizations and their customers [as well as themselves].  This hypothesis is supported by the endless positive assessments of corporate prospects by analysts and other well-informed commentators, right up to the moment things went wrong. Surely all those hundreds and thousands of executives could not have hidden dishonest or deceitful behaviour from the outside world for so long?

     

    If they were not being dishonest or unethical, then, were they in fact being insufficiently competent in the strategic management of their organizations. Government grilling of banking executives, for example, has shown that CEOs were doing things that were widely regarded as skilful, even super-clever, that neither they nor most others realised were dumb until after the event. And the banks were not alone in managing themselves into crisis, or at least into serious trouble – we now have car makers, airlines, ship-building, commercial real-estate, retailers and hundreds of other sectors in difficulties they could and should have foreseen and guarded against.

     

    I had reason to reflect on whether senior management have been sufficiently competent in managing strategic performance in recent years, and whether they need better tools for the job, in presentations at business schools in Argentina and Brazil over the last 2 weeks, a 60-min. screen-cast of which you can find at http://www.strategydynamics.com/strategy-lessons.

     

    Kim Warren: London Business School

     

     




  • 3.  The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Posted 04-09-2009 12:55

    Building on Kim's comments – what if the (recurring?) crisis are symptoms of an upcoming Kuhnian 'paradigm shift' in the way business is conducted?

    What if we focus on 'creating' the new worldview, instead of 'castigating' the actors in the present system?

    Sujit

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU]
    Sent: April 9, 2009 8:44 AM
    To: sujitsur@gmail.com; sujitsur@dal.ca; MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: The crisis - ethics or competence?
    Importance: Low

     

    This very useful debate on ethics and values [thanks everyone for this] seems to make a big assumption – that unethical behaviour was the main reason for the crisis, so with more ethical standards it would have been avoided or substantially reduced. But apart from a few egregious examples, it is not clear that most senior execs were deliberately doing things for their own gain that they knew to be against the interests of investors, employees or customers.

     

     

     

    An alternative view is that executives were mostly doing things they thought - but incorrectly - to be in the best interests of their organizations and their customers [as well as themselves].  This hypothesis is supported by the endless positive assessments of corporate prospects by analysts and other well-informed commentators, right up to the moment things went wrong. Surely all those hundreds and thousands of executives could not have hidden dishonest or deceitful behaviour from the outside world for so long?

     

     

     

    If they were not being dishonest or unethical, then, were they in fact being insufficiently competent in the strategic management of their organizations. Government grilling of banking executives, for example, has shown that CEOs were doing things that were widely regarded as skilful, even super-clever, that neither they nor most others realised were dumb until after the event. And the banks were not alone in managing themselves into crisis, or at least into serious trouble – we now have car makers, airlines, ship-building, commercial real-estate, retailers and hundreds of other sectors in difficulties they could and should have foreseen and guarded against.

     

     

     

    I had reason to reflect on whether senior management have been sufficiently competent in managing strategic performance in recent years, and whether they need better tools for the job, in presentations at business schools in Argentina and Brazil over the last 2 weeks, a 60-min. screen-cast of which you can find at http://www.strategydynamics.com/strategy-lessons.

     

     

     

    Kim Warren: London Business School

     

     

     

     

     



  • 4.  The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Posted 04-09-2009 13:29
    Kim,
     
    Thank you for this. An hour well spent.
     
    Consider that Southwest Airlines was not pursuing the same strategy for 30 years. In the beginning the strategy was survival and Herb Kelleher had to win more than 30 lawsuits to do that. Then came organic growth in an East-West corridor across the southern belt. Unfortunately Southwest expanded to North-South growth and growth by acquisition. This injected strangers into the Southwest family faster than the culture of service could assimilate them. Now, like other airlines, we hear the Flight Attendents refer to the company as "they."
     
    Your main message of evolve vs. position is well stated. Perhaps U.S. executives were so busy profiting and lobbying that they did not take time to assess the rate of movement of the "regulating" that the federal government was doing under the guise of fair housing.  These corporate frogs simply didn't notice that the water was getting hotter --- until the melting point was reached.
    Onward,
    Jack Ring
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Kim Warren
    Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:17 AM
    Subject: The crisis - ethics or competence?

    [...].

     

    I had reason to reflect on whether senior management have been sufficiently competent in managing strategic performance in recent years, and whether they need better tools for the job, in presentations at business schools in Argentina and Brazil over the last 2 weeks, a 60-min. screen-cast of which you can find at http://www.strategydynamics.com/strategy-lessons.

     

    Kim Warren: London Business School

     

     



  • 5.  The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Posted 04-09-2009 15:49
    In a message dated 4/9/2009 12:13:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sujitsur@DAL.CA writes:

    Building on Kim's comments – what if the (recurring?) crisis are symptoms of an upcoming Kuhnian 'paradigm shift' in the way business is conducted?

    What if we focus on 'creating' the new worldview, instead of 'castigating' the actors in the present system?

    Sujit

     

    My point, but more tersely stated. Please think about this notion with an open mind.
     
    George


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  • 6.  The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Posted 04-09-2009 16:11
    Building on Sujit's comments, I would dare to say that the current crisis and others before have been produced by mindlessness of pursuing a single objective function. Whether unethical behavior or incompetence contributed to that, an objective function that presupposes ONE superior value will necessarily underperform in producing outcomes other than that. Mindless blindness sets in, no matter which value is the single objective. (By the way it seems that our brain, esp. the prefrontal cortex is pretty much built to balance several different objectives, not to maximize one, why could not organizations be similar).
     
    In our current society we seem to divide value creation into wealth creation (businesses), and social value creation (NGO's, government). If we were to be able to organize around universal human value sets ( be it Schwartz's or Laswell's or any other encompassing human centered set of values) in all our organizations, maybe there is a way to organize more mindfully and hence reduce the risks that we currently encountered. That would call for alternative objective functions to be discussed.
     
    Best,
    Michael
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    Michael Pirson, Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor, Graduate School of Business,
    Fordham University
    ----------
    Lecturer, Harvard Extension School
    Research Fellow, Psychology Department, GSAS
    Harvard University
    ----------
    Co-founder Humanistic Management Network, www.humanetwork.org

    From: Sujit Sur
    Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:54 PM
    Subject: Re: The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Building on Kim’s comments – what if the (recurring?) crisis are symptoms of an upcoming Kuhnian ‘paradigm shift’ in the way business is conducted?

    What if we focus on ‘creating’ the new worldview, instead of ‘castigating’ the actors in the present system?

    Sujit

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU]
    Sent: April 9, 2009 8:44 AM
    To: sujitsur@gmail.com; sujitsur@dal.ca; MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: The crisis - ethics or competence?
    Importance: Low

     

    This very useful debate on ethics and values [thanks everyone for this] seems to make a big assumption – that unethical behaviour was the main reason for the crisis, so with more ethical standards it would have been avoided or substantially reduced. But apart from a few egregious examples, it is not clear that most senior execs were deliberately doing things for their own gain that they knew to be against the interests of investors, employees or customers.

     

     

     

    An alternative view is that executives were mostly doing things they thought - but incorrectly - to be in the best interests of their organizations and their customers [as well as themselves].  This hypothesis is supported by the endless positive assessments of corporate prospects by analysts and other well-informed commentators, right up to the moment things went wrong. Surely all those hundreds and thousands of executives could not have hidden dishonest or deceitful behaviour from the outside world for so long?

     

     

     

    If they were not being dishonest or unethical, then, were they in fact being insufficiently competent in the strategic management of their organizations. Government grilling of banking executives, for example, has shown that CEOs were doing things that were widely regarded as skilful, even super-clever, that neither they nor most others realised were dumb until after the event. And the banks were not alone in managing themselves into crisis, or at least into serious trouble – we now have car makers, airlines, ship-building, commercial real-estate, retailers and hundreds of other sectors in difficulties they could and should have foreseen and guarded against.

     

     

     

    I had reason to reflect on whether senior management have been sufficiently competent in managing strategic performance in recent years, and whether they need better tools for the job, in presentations at business schools in Argentina and Brazil over the last 2 weeks, a 60-min. screen-cast of which you can find at http://www.strategydynamics.com/strategy-lessons.

     

     

     

    Kim Warren: London Business School

     

     

     

     

     



  • 7.  The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Posted 04-09-2009 17:30
    Then the "we" become either scientists, pragmatists or ideologues. Which shall it be?  Think about THAT with an open mind?
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:49 PM
    Subject: Re: The crisis - ethics or competence?

    In a message dated 4/9/2009 12:13:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sujitsur@DAL.CA writes:

    Building on Kim's comments – what if the (recurring?) crisis are symptoms of an upcoming Kuhnian 'paradigm shift' in the way business is conducted?

    What if we focus on 'creating' the new worldview, instead of 'castigating' the actors in the present system?

    Sujit

     

    My point, but more tersely stated. Please think about this notion with an open mind.
     
    George


    New Deals on Dell Netbooks - Now starting at $299


  • 8.  The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Posted 04-09-2009 18:25
     
    Kim,
     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU]
    Sent: April 9, 2009 8:44 AM
    To: sujitsur@gmail.com; sujitsur@dal.ca; MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: The crisis - ethics or competence?
    Importance: Low

     

    This very useful debate on ethics and values [thanks everyone for this] seems to make a big assumption – that unethical behaviour was the main reason for the crisis, so with more ethical standards it would have been avoided or substantially reduced. But apart from a few egregious examples, it is not clear that most senior execs were deliberately doing things for their own gain that they knew to be against the interests of investors, employees or customers.

     

     Clearly is was not bad behavior by executives that expanded the bubble until it exploded much to their surprise. It was the CCX social agreements at the systems level. Please do some systems analyses. Good people will do harmful things and not know it when the system fails. The financial systems spun out of control due regulators that did a hell of a job Brownie. We need to build a better system--One with alarms and repair specialist. Whatever happened to the notion of "Fail-safe"? We need to train executives to understand that systems can fail when notproperly maintained.

    George
    CSMS  

     

    An alternative view is that executives were mostly doing things they thought - but incorrectly - to be in the best interests of their organizations and their customers [as well as themselves].  This hypothesis is supported by the endless positive assessments of corporate prospects by analysts and other well-informed commentators, right up to the moment things went wrong. Surely all those hundreds and thousands of executives could not have hidden dishonest or deceitful behaviour from the outside world for so long?

     

     

     

    If they were not being dishonest or unethical, then, were they in fact being insufficiently competent in the strategic management of their organizations. Government grilling of banking executives, for example, has shown that CEOs were doing things that were widely regarded as skilful, even super-clever, that neither they nor most others realised were dumb until after the event. And the banks were not alone in managing themselves into crisis, or at least into serious trouble – we now have car makers, airlines, ship-building, commercial real-estate, retailers and hundreds of other sectors in difficulties they could and should have foreseen and guarded against.

     

     

     

    I had reason to reflect on whether senior management have been sufficiently competent in managing strategic performance in recent years, and whether they need better tools for the job, in presentations at business schools in Argentina and Brazil over the last 2 weeks, a 60-min. screen-cast of which you can find at http://www.strategydynamics.com/strategy-lessons.

     

     

     

    Kim Warren: London Business School

     

     

     

     


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  • 9.  The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Posted 04-09-2009 23:32
    Sujit,

    Your idea makes sense to me.  I do agree that worldviews can "trap" people into self-damaging systems of behavior time and again.  Kim has plenty of ideas on using systems dynamics for better strategies but I'd like to know your ideas on "creating the new worldview".

    Regards,

    Ben
     
    -------------------------------
    Benito L. Teehankee, DBA
    Sen. Benigno S. Aquino Jr. associate professor in business and governance
    Ramon V. del Rosario Sr. Graduate School of Business
    De La Salle University
    Manila, Philippines
    Office: +632-5234295



    From: Sujit Sur <sujitsur@DAL.CA>
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:54:52 AM
    Subject: Re: The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Building on Kim's comments – what if the (recurring?) crisis are symptoms of an upcoming Kuhnian 'paradigm shift' in the way business is conducted?

    What if we focus on 'creating' the new worldview, instead of 'castigating' the actors in the present system?

    Sujit

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU]
    Sent: April 9, 2009 8:44 AM
    To: sujitsur@gmail.com; sujitsur@dal.ca; MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: The crisis - ethics or competence?
    Importance: Low

     

    This very useful debate on ethics and values [thanks everyone for this] seems to make a big assumption – that unethical behaviour was the main reason for the crisis, so with more ethical standards it would have been avoided or substantially reduced. But apart from a few egregious examples, it is not clear that most senior execs were deliberately doing things for their own gain that they knew to be against the interests of investors, employees or customers.

     

     

     

    An alternative view is that executives were mostly doing things they thought - but incorrectly - to be in the best interests of their organizations and their customers [as well as themselves].  This hypothesis is supported by the endless positive assessments of corporate prospects by analysts and other well-informed commentators, right up to the moment things went wrong. Surely all those hundreds and thousands of executives could not have hidden dishonest or deceitful behaviour from the outside world for so long?

     

     

     

    If they were not being dishonest or unethical, then, were they in fact being insufficiently competent in the strategic management of their organizations. Government grilling of banking executives, for example, has shown that CEOs were doing things that were widely regarded as skilful, even super-clever, that neither they nor most others realised were dumb until after the event. And the banks were not alone in managing themselves into crisis, or at least into serious trouble – we now have car makers, airlines, ship-building, commercial real-estate, retailers and hundreds of other sectors in difficulties they could and should have foreseen and guarded against.

     

     

     

    I had reason to reflect on whether senior management have been sufficiently competent in managing strategic performance in recent years, and whether they need better tools for the job, in presentations at business schools in Argentina and Brazil over the last 2 weeks, a 60-min. screen-cast of which you can find at http://www.strategydynamics.com/strategy-lessons.

     

     

     

    Kim Warren: London Business School

     

     

     

     

     




  • 10.  The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Posted 04-11-2009 06:19
    I think Michael makes a crucially important point about the need to expand objective functions in several important dimensions.  However, students with a practical bent will automatically ask how this is to be done.  I surveyed our MBA curriculum and the tools and problem-solving methods taught are strongly biased for a single objective -- whether it be in management science or management accounting.  What methods can be taught to students which support a multi-stakeholder, mutli-objective perspective?  Has anybody in the list used analytic hierarchy process (AHP) for this, for example?  What about system dynamics as Kim suggests?

    Regards,

    Ben
     
    -------------------------------
    Benito L. Teehankee, DBA
    Sen. Benigno S. Aquino Jr. associate professor in business and governance
    Ramon V. del Rosario Sr. Graduate School of Business
    De La Salle University
    Manila, Philippines
    Office: +632-5234295



    From: Michael Pirson <pirson@FORDHAM.EDU>
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 4:10:47 AM
    Subject: Re: The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Building on Sujit's comments, I would dare to say that the current crisis and others before have been produced by mindlessness of pursuing a single objective function. Whether unethical behavior or incompetence contributed to that, an objective function that presupposes ONE superior value will necessarily underperform in producing outcomes other than that. Mindless blindness sets in, no matter which value is the single objective. (By the way it seems that our brain, esp. the prefrontal cortex is pretty much built to balance several different objectives, not to maximize one, why could not organizations be similar).
     
    In our current society we seem to divide value creation into wealth creation (businesses), and social value creation (NGO's, government). If we were to be able to organize around universal human value sets ( be it Schwartz's or Laswell's or any other encompassing human centered set of values) in all our organizations, maybe there is a way to organize more mindfully and hence reduce the risks that we currently encountered. That would call for alternative objective functions to be discussed.
     
    Best,
    Michael
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    Michael Pirson, Ph.D.
    Assistant Professor, Graduate School of Business,
    Fordham University
    ----------
    Lecturer, Harvard Extension School
    Research Fellow, Psychology Department, GSAS
    Harvard University
    ----------
    Co-founder Humanistic Management Network, www.humanetwork.org

    From: Sujit Sur
    Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:54 PM
    Subject: Re: The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Building on Kim's comments – what if the (recurring?) crisis are symptoms of an upcoming Kuhnian 'paradigm shift' in the way business is conducted?

    What if we focus on 'creating' the new worldview, instead of 'castigating' the actors in the present system?

    Sujit

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU]
    Sent: April 9, 2009 8:44 AM
    To: sujitsur@gmail.com; sujitsur@dal.ca; MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: The crisis - ethics or competence?
    Importance: Low

     

    This very useful debate on ethics and values [thanks everyone for this] seems to make a big assumption – that unethical behaviour was the main reason for the crisis, so with more ethical standards it would have been avoided or substantially reduced. But apart from a few egregious examples, it is not clear that most senior execs were deliberately doing things for their own gain that they knew to be against the interests of investors, employees or customers.

     

     

     

    An alternative view is that executives were mostly doing things they thought - but incorrectly - to be in the best interests of their organizations and their customers [as well as themselves].  This hypothesis is supported by the endless positive assessments of corporate prospects by analysts and other well-informed commentators, right up to the moment things went wrong. Surely all those hundreds and thousands of executives could not have hidden dishonest or deceitful behaviour from the outside world for so long?

     

     

     

    If they were not being dishonest or unethical, then, were they in fact being insufficiently competent in the strategic management of their organizations. Government grilling of banking executives, for example, has shown that CEOs were doing things that were widely regarded as skilful, even super-clever, that neither they nor most others realised were dumb until after the event. And the banks were not alone in managing themselves into crisis, or at least into serious trouble – we now have car makers, airlines, ship-building, commercial real-estate, retailers and hundreds of other sectors in difficulties they could and should have foreseen and guarded against.

     

     

     

    I had reason to reflect on whether senior management have been sufficiently competent in managing strategic performance in recent years, and whether they need better tools for the job, in presentations at business schools in Argentina and Brazil over the last 2 weeks, a 60-min. screen-cast of which you can find at http://www.strategydynamics.com/strategy-lessons.

     

     

     

    Kim Warren: London Business School

     

     

     

     

     




  • 11.  The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Posted 04-13-2009 22:34
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 3:18 AM
    Subject: Re: The crisis - ethics or competence?

    I think Michael makes a crucially important point about the need to expand objective functions in several important dimensions.  However, students with a practical bent will automatically ask how this is to be done.  I surveyed our MBA curriculum and the tools and problem-solving methods taught are strongly biased for a single objective -- whether it be in management science or management accounting.  What methods can be taught to students which support a multi-stakeholder, mutli-objective perspective?  Has anybody in the list used analytic hierarchy process (AHP) for this, for example?  What about system dynamics as Kim suggests?

    Have you looked at Balanced Scorecard? I do not hold this up as an exemplar but it does deal with N attributes. Of course, Drucker told us years ago that the minimum set is Market Standing, Productivity, Innovation and Liquidity.
     
    The AHP is mathematically flawed (unless you can assure that all options are transitive).
    Better you should consider Bayesian Belief Networks.
     
    Cheers,
    Jack Ring


  • 12.  The crisis - ethics or competence?

    Posted 04-14-2009 08:55
    Yes, I find the BSC a promising approach, especially if the system links between the components are really worked out.  I find that many companies who claim to do BSC are still doing MBO with no system links underpinning it.
     
    Regards,
     
    Ben
     
    -------------------------------
    Benito L. Teehankee, DBA
    Sen. Benigno S. Aquino Jr. associate professor in business and governance
    Ramon V. del Rosario Sr. Graduate School of Business
    De La Salle University
    Manila, Philippines
    Office: +632-5234295



    From: Jack Ring <jring@AMUG.ORG>
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:34:23 AM
    Subject: Re: The crisis - ethics or competence?

    
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 3:18 AM
    Subject: Re: The crisis - ethics or competence?

    I think Michael makes a crucially important point about the need to expand objective functions in several important dimensions.  However, students with a practical bent will automatically ask how this is to be done.  I surveyed our MBA curriculum and the tools and problem-solving methods taught are strongly biased for a single objective -- whether it be in management science or management accounting.  What methods can be taught to students which support a multi-stakeholder, mutli-objective perspective?  Has anybody in the list used analytic hierarchy process (AHP) for this, for example?  What about system dynamics as Kim suggests?

    Have you looked at Balanced Scorecard? I do not hold this up as an exemplar but it does deal with N attributes. Of course, Drucker told us years ago that the minimum set is Market Standing, Productivity, Innovation and Liquidity.
     
    The AHP is mathematically flawed (unless you can assure that all options are transitive).
    Better you should consider Bayesian Belief Networks.
     
    Cheers,
    Jack Ring