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  • 1.  20 messages from this list per day ?

    Posted 04-10-2009 03:44
    Dear colleagues,
     
    I very much appreciate the discussions on this list, but given the amount of messages generated lately, I was wondering whether it was maybe pertinent to shift towards a "forum" type of discussion medium.
     
    Kind regards,
    Clemens
     
     
    Dr. Charles-Clemens Rüling
    Associate Professor
     
    Management and Behaviors Department
    Grenoble Ecole de Management
    12 rue Pierre Sémard - BP 127
    38003 Grenoble Cedex 01, France
     
    Office: +33 (0)4 76 70 60 34
    Mobile: +33 (0)6 01 81 81 37
     

    De : Management Education and Development Discussion [MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] de la part de George Graen [Lmxlotus@AOL.COM]
    Date d'envoi : vendredi 10 avril 2009 00:25
    À : MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Objet : Re: The crisis - ethics or competence?

     
    Kim,
     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU]
    Sent: April 9, 2009 8:44 AM
    To: sujitsur@gmail.com; sujitsur@dal.ca; MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: The crisis - ethics or competence?
    Importance: Low

     

    This very useful debate on ethics and values [thanks everyone for this] seems to make a big assumption – that unethical behaviour was the main reason for the crisis, so with more ethical standards it would have been avoided or substantially reduced. But apart from a few egregious examples, it is not clear that most senior execs were deliberately doing things for their own gain that they knew to be against the interests of investors, employees or customers.

     

     Clearly is was not bad behavior by executives that expanded the bubble until it exploded much to their surprise. It was the CCX social agreements at the systems level. Please do some systems analyses. Good people will do harmful things and not know it when the system fails. The financial systems spun out of control due regulators that did a hell of a job Brownie. We need to build a better system--One with alarms and repair specialist. Whatever happened to the notion of "Fail-safe"? We need to train executives to understand that systems can fail when notproperly maintained.

    George
    CSMS  

     

    An alternative view is that executives were mostly doing things they thought - but incorrectly - to be in the best interests of their organizations and their customers [as well as themselves].  This hypothesis is supported by the endless positive assessments of corporate prospects by analysts and other well-informed commentators, right up to the moment things went wrong. Surely all those hundreds and thousands of executives could not have hidden dishonest or deceitful behaviour from the outside world for so long?

     

     

     

    If they were not being dishonest or unethical, then, were they in fact being insufficiently competent in the strategic management of their organizations. Government grilling of banking executives, for example, has shown that CEOs were doing things that were widely regarded as skilful, even super-clever, that neither they nor most others realised were dumb until after the event. And the banks were not alone in managing themselves into crisis, or at least into serious trouble – we now have car makers, airlines, ship-building, commercial real-estate, retailers and hundreds of other sectors in difficulties they could and should have foreseen and guarded against.

     

     

     

    I had reason to reflect on whether senior management have been sufficiently competent in managing strategic performance in recent years, and whether they need better tools for the job, in presentations at business schools in Argentina and Brazil over the last 2 weeks, a 60-min. screen-cast of which you can find at http://www.strategydynamics.com/strategy-lessons.

     

     

     

    Kim Warren: London Business School

     

     

     

     


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  • 2.  20 messages from this list per day ?

    Posted 04-10-2009 11:01

    Yes this is the case. You can receive messages in digest that way.

     

    Charles Wankel

    Mg-Ed-Dv List Director

     

    From: Ben Teehankee [mailto:teehankeeb@yahoo.com]

     

    If I'm not mistaken, we can request to receive messages in digest mode from the LISTSERV.  This will deliver a compilation of all messages for a day in one message.  I'm not sure but I think this can be done by sending to this address:

    LISTSERV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU

    the message

    SET MG-ED-DV DIGEST

    Can the moderator please confirm if this is the case?  Thanks.

    Regards,

    Ben

     

    -------------------------------
    Benito L. Teehankee, DBA
    Sen. Benigno S. Aquino Jr. associate professor in business and governance
    Ramon V. del Rosario Sr. Graduate School of Business
    De La Salle University
    Manila, Philippines
    Office: +632-5234295

     

     


    From: RULING Charles-Clemens <Charles-Clemens.RULING@GRENOBLE-EM.COM>
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 3:44:21 PM
    Subject: 20 messages from this list per day ?

    Dear colleagues,

     

    I very much appreciate the discussions on this list, but given the amount of messages generated lately, I was wondering whether it was maybe pertinent to shift towards a "forum" type of discussion medium.

     

    Kind regards,

    Clemens

     

     

    Dr. Charles-Clemens Rüling

    Associate Professor

     

    Management and Behaviors Department

    Grenoble Ecole de Management

    12 rue Pierre Sémard - BP 127

    38003 Grenoble Cedex 01, France

     

    Office: +33 (0)4 76 70 60 34

    Mobile: +33 (0)6 01 81 81 37

     


    De : Management Education and Development Discussion [MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] de la part de George Graen [Lmxlotus@AOL.COM]
    Date d'envoi : vendredi 10 avril 2009 00:25
    À : MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Objet : Re: The crisis - ethics or competence?

     

    Kim,

     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU]
    Sent: April 9, 2009 8:44 AM
    To: sujitsur@gmail.com; sujitsur@dal.ca; MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: The crisis - ethics or competence?
    Importance: Low

     

    This very useful debate on ethics and values [thanks everyone for this] seems to make a big assumption – that unethical behaviour was the main reason for the crisis, so with more ethical standards it would have been avoided or substantially reduced. But apart from a few egregious examples, it is not clear that most senior execs were deliberately doing things for their own gain that they knew to be against the interests of investors, employees or customers.

     

     Clearly is was not bad behavior by executives that expanded the bubble until it exploded much to their surprise. It was the CCX social agreements at the systems level. Please do some systems analyses. Good people will do harmful things and not know it when the system fails. The financial systems spun out of control due regulators that did a hell of a job Brownie. We need to build a better system--One with alarms and repair specialist. Whatever happened to the notion of "Fail-safe"? We need to train executives to understand that systems can fail when notproperly maintained.

    George

    CSMS  

     

    An alternative view is that executives were mostly doing things they thought - but incorrectly - to be in the best interests of their organizations and their customers [as well as themselves].  This hypothesis is supported by the endless positive assessments of corporate prospects by analysts and other well-informed commentators, right up to the moment things went wrong. Surely all those hundreds and thousands of executives could not have hidden dishonest or deceitful behaviour from the outside world for so long?

     

     

     

    If they were not being dishonest or unethical, then, were they in fact being insufficiently competent in the strategic management of their organizations. Government grilling of banking executives, for example, has shown that CEOs were doing things that were widely regarded as skilful, even super-clever, that neither they nor most others realised were dumb until after the event. And the banks were not alone in managing themselves into crisis, or at least into serious trouble – we now have car makers, airlines, ship-building, commercial real-estate, retailers and hundreds of other sectors in difficulties they could and should have foreseen and guarded against.

     

     

     

    I had reason to reflect on whether senior management have been sufficiently competent in managing strategic performance in recent years, and whether they need better tools for the job, in presentations at business schools in Argentina and Brazil over the last 2 weeks, a 60-min. screen-cast of which you can find at http://www.strategydynamics.com/strategy-lessons.

     

     

     

    Kim Warren: London Business School

     

     

     

     




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  • 3.  20 messages from this list per day ?

    Posted 04-14-2009 02:34
    What I do with AOM lists is direct them to an alternate ID, e.g., LASTNAME_AOM@yahoo.com, and deal with them at my leisure.
    Regards,
    Romie

    Do not accustom yourself to use big words for little matters.
    -Samuel Johnson
    Romie F. Littrell, BA, MBA,PhD, FIAIR, An fánaí fiáin
    AUT Business School N.Z., romie.littrell@aut.ac.nz
    http://www.romielittrellpubs.homestead.com/
    http://www.crossculturalcentre.homestead.com/
    Facilitator, Leadership & Management in Sub-Sahara Africa Conferences
    Contents copyright Romie F. Littrell

    --- On Fri, 10/4/09, RULING Charles-Clemens <Charles-Clemens.RULING@GRENOBLE-EM.COM> wrote:
    From: RULING Charles-Clemens <Charles-Clemens.RULING@GRENOBLE-EM.COM>
    Subject: 20 messages from this list per day ?
    To: MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Date: Friday, 10 April, 2009, 7:44 PM

    Dear colleagues,
     
    I very much appreciate the discussions on this list, but given the amount of messages generated lately, I was wondering whether it was maybe pertinent to shift towards a "forum" type of discussion medium.
     
    Kind regards,
    Clemens
     
     
    Dr. Charles-Clemens Rüling
    Associate Professor
     
    Management and Behaviors Department
    Grenoble Ecole de Management
    12 rue Pierre Sémard - BP 127
    38003 Grenoble Cedex 01, France
     
    Office: +33 (0)4 76 70 60 34
    Mobile: +33 (0)6 01 81 81 37
     

    De : Management Education and Development Discussion [MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU] de la part de George Graen [Lmxlotus@AOL.COM]
    Date d'envoi : vendredi 10 avril 2009 00:25
    À : MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Objet : Re: The crisis - ethics or competence?

     
    Kim,
     

    From: Management Education and Development Discussion [mailto:MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU]
    Sent: April 9, 2009 8:44 AM
    To: sujitsur@gmail.com; sujitsur@dal.ca; MG-ED-DV@AOMLISTS.PACE.EDU
    Subject: The crisis - ethics or competence?
    Importance: Low

     

    This very useful debate on ethics and values [thanks everyone for this] seems to make a big assumption – that unethical behaviour was the main reason for the crisis, so with more ethical standards it would have been avoided or substantially reduced. But apart from a few egregious examples, it is not clear that most senior execs were deliberately doing things for their own gain that they knew to be against the interests of investors, employees or customers.

     

     Clearly is was not bad behavior by executives that expanded the bubble until it exploded much to their surprise. It was the CCX social agreements at the systems level. Please do some systems analyses. Good people will do harmful things and not know it when the system fails. The financial systems spun out of control due regulators that did a hell of a job Brownie. We need to build a better system--One with alarms and repair specialist. Whatever happened to the notion of "Fail-safe"? We need to train executives to understand that systems can fail when notproperly maintained.

    George
    CSMS  

     

    An alternative view is that executives were mostly doing things they thought - but incorrectly - to be in the best interests of their organizations and their customers [as well as themselves].  This hypothesis is supported by the endless positive assessments of corporate prospects by analysts and other well-informed commentators, right up to the moment things went wrong. Surely all those hundreds and thousands of executives could not have hidden dishonest or deceitful behaviour from the outside world for so long?

     

     

     

    If they were not being dishonest or unethical, then, were they in fact being insufficiently competent in the strategic management of their organizations. Government grilling of banking executives, for example, has shown that CEOs were doing things that were widely regarded as skilful, even super-clever, that neither they nor most others realised were dumb until after the event. And the banks were not alone in managing themselves into crisis, or at least into serious trouble – we now have car makers, airlines, ship-building, commercial real-estate, retailers and hundreds of other sectors in difficulties they could and should have foreseen and guarded against.

     

     

     

    I had reason to reflect on whether senior management have been sufficiently competent in managing strategic performance in recent years, and whether they need better tools for the job, in presentations at business schools in Argentina and Brazil over the last 2 weeks, a 60-min. screen-cast of which you can find at http://www.strategydynamics.com/strategy-lessons.

     

     

     

    Kim Warren: London Business School

     

     

     

     


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